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WyattEarp said:
I think the protests you mention including the Vietnam War are/were close to home. The causes noted impacted Americans directly. I don't see the protests creating more real empathy for the Palestinians and by virtue the Hamas leadership.

Other than my most progressive friends, most of them who want to see a cease fire just are tired of 75 years of fighting and fruitless peace discussions. This seems a way to put things on the back burner and avoid more carnage and destruction for the time being. I'm not even sure the protesters have any workable solutions in mind for Palestine beyond a cease fire.

As a separate note, I am not a historian but we know the Germans and Japanese were decimated. They came back with much assistance from the West to build great economies and successful democracies. Does anyone really see the Palestinians grabbing that olive branch and also Western and Mideastern assistance to build a thriving country? It would appear the Palestinians are more excited to get a box of missiles from Iran.
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mandrill said:
I'm not sure they're "doing it wrong", since it seems to be note-for-note a repetition of the 60's protests and an attempt to cosplay the 60's anti war movement.

The difference is that many more students have a dog in the race that is directly opposed to the protestors own opinions - i.e. the Jewish students and their PoV. And there is no draft to make Palestine a gripping domestic issue.



Part of the transition was the lack of an easy win by the US, when domestic public opinion had been led to believe the mass of the VN population supported the Saigon regime and the US intervention. That led to a pendulum effect where Hanoi was then presented as "the real VN patriots".

Everything cartoonishly over-simplified of course.
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mandrill said:
I'm not sure they're "doing it wrong", since it seems to be note-for-note a repetition of the 60's protests and an attempt to cosplay the 60's anti war movement.

The difference is that many more students have a dog in the race that is directly opposed to the protestors own opinions - i.e. the Jewish students and their PoV. And there is no draft to make Palestine a gripping domestic issue.
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That the situation is very different domestically (both the general environment of the 60s and the fact there isn't a draft sending these people to actually fight in a war) does mean I am suspicious of anyone drawing 1:1 parallels, I agree.


Part of the transition was the lack of an easy win by the US.
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This is a recurring issue.
Lots of people who were "against the endless wars" in Afghanistan and Iraq were actually against "not winning easily".
In 68, Wallace was saying either he would win in 90 days (something short) or pull out.
 
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mandrill said:
Seems a little unfair to take the crowd's anger out on a 20 year old performer, don't you think?
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Not in the least. That POS is an ambassador of genocide, apartheid and ethnic cleansing. She doesn’t have an ounce of integrity in her. Play the victim somewhere else…it comes too easily to you.
 
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Kautilya said:
Sure. Pro-Israeli positions are welcome and can be debated. Pro-genocide propaganda, that amount to dehumanizing Palestinians are not.
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Pro terrorist attacks like that of Oct.7 in efforts to wipe out Jews from the river to the sea are not welcome and not debatable. Denial of Hamas wishing to destroy all Jews are not debatable. Denial of Hamas committing rape on Oct.7 is not debatable. False claims of Israel committing genocide that amount to demonizing Israel are not debatable.
 
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Pro terrorist attacks like that of Oct.7 in efforts to wipe out Jews from the river to the sea are not welcome and not debatable. Denial of Hamas wishing to destroy all Jews are not debatable. Denial of Hamas committing rape on Oct.7 is not debatable. False claims of Israel committing genocide that amount to demonizing Israel are not debatable.
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