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Poll: Who gets your vote

If a federal election were held tomorrow who would get your vote

  • Pierre Pollievre's Conservative Party

    Votes: 41 67.2%
  • Justin Trudeau's Liberal Party

    Votes: 13 21.3%
  • Jagmeet Singh's New Democratic Party

    Votes: 5 8.2%
  • Elizabeth May's Green Party

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Maxime Bernier's People's Party

    Votes: 2 3.3%

  • Total voters
    61
  • Poll closed .

bver_hunter

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Here's the same response I gave your buddy FF:


Ummmm not quite despite your knack for failing miserably at following an argument or logic for that matter.
You forgot to factor in time and the fact that someone is bound to a train schedule. Time is money. Convenience is money.
Go Train can't get you to the specific location. It gets you to a general location bound to where the stations are located. How about additional fares?
What if you need to go to several places in a particular time span? More fares. More time.
What if you need to take extra passengers? Go Train doesn't have a 5-for-1 fare do they?

When you factor all of that in transit isn't always cheaper considering the constraints.
You really are trying to twist and turn the real facts. I stated several times that in a City like Amsterdam or London, the intensive network of Underground. / Subway trains are well interconnected. You do not require a car. When you purchase a ticket to a particular destination, it means that you can interconnect very easily between various different subway lines without incurring addition costs!!

Normally if you use the Go Train from let's say Oshawa, and get to Union Station, then you are in the midst of downtown. Walking to your destination is no issue. However. when you drive downtown, and then want to park, it costs an arm and a leg to do so these days, especially during peak periods. Getting on the Go Train takes away the headache of traffic congestion once you enter downtown. Far easier to drop off your car at a Go Train Station where parking is free and then getting a ride on the Go Train. Obviously, you have not used The Go Train!!
 

DesRicardo

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Off the top of my head.
1. Tougher on crime and harder sentences.
2. Shrinking the size of government to lower the budget.
3. Aggressively target inflation.
4. Axing the Carbon tax. Invest in green technology.
5. Working with all levels of government to build homes.
6. Probably will lower immigration back to controllable levels.
Small correction to #6. He said he would tie immigration to available housing.
 

Dutch Oven

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Skoob

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There's also a hotline for sexual assault and rapists, skoob.
Think we should warn the city that someone who backs rapists might come to town too?
Ah yes, the pivot once I answered your question and proved you wrong again.
 

Skoob

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You really are trying to twist and turn the real facts. I stated several times that in a City like Amsterdam or London, the intensive network of Underground. / Subway trains are well interconnected. You do not require a car. When you purchase a ticket to a particular destination, it means that you can interconnect very easily between various different subway lines without incurring addition costs!!

Normally if you use the Go Train from let's say Oshawa, and get to Union Station, then you are in the midst of downtown. Walking to your destination is no issue. However. when you drive downtown, and then want to park, it costs an arm and a leg to do so these days, especially during peak periods. Getting on the Go Train takes away the headache of traffic congestion once you enter downtown. Far easier to drop off your car at a Go Train Station where parking is free and then getting a ride on the Go Train. Obviously, you have not used The Go Train!!
You think Union station is the epicenter of the city? That's way south. You think anyone can just walk km's after getting to union? No. They would then need to take the TTC.

I'm not disputing that some European countries have better transit systems. In fact that's my whole point. Toronto is a different city, more spread out and transit is terrible. That's why driving is still attractive, more convenient, and offers someone the means to go many places during the same commute in a reasonable time.
 

bver_hunter

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You think Union station is the epicenter of the city? That's way south. You think anyone can just walk km's after getting to union? No. They would then need to take the TTC.

I'm not disputing that some European countries have better transit systems. In fact that's my whole point. Toronto is a different city, more spread out and transit is terrible. That's why driving is still attractive, more convenient, and offers someone the means to go many places during the same commute in a reasonable time.
I have walked from Union Station to as far North as Bloor Street. But you made my point, that money should be spent on more public transit infrastructure rather than more Highways. London is a bigger city than Toronto and well connected by their Underground / Subway. Hence more citizens use the public transport rather than their cars whenever possible!!

But you think that it is possible to drive to Downtown Toronto in a "reasonable time" during rush hours? Really!!
 

Skoob

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I have walked from Union Station to as far North as Bloor Street. But you made my point, that money should be spent on more public transit infrastructure rather than more Highways. London is a bigger city than Toronto and well connected by their Underground / Subway. Hence more citizens use the public transport rather than their cars whenever possible!!

But you think that it is possible to drive to Downtown Toronto in a "reasonable time" during rush hours? Really!!
I'm glad you agree that underground subways like in other cities would be better. Some people on here are against subways. (You know who.)
Until someone in Toronto can travel in/out of the city using reliable and efficient transit, we can't pretend cars don't exist. They do. And because they do, we need more roads/highways not less.
Lots of people can't ride bikes or walk long distances.
 

Frankfooter

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I'm glad you agree that underground subways like in other cities would be better. Some people on here are against subways. (You know who.)
Until someone in Toronto can travel in/out of the city using reliable and efficient transit, we can't pretend cars don't exist. They do. And because they do, we need more roads/highways not less.
Lots of people can't ride bikes or walk long distances.
Ah, no matter the subject you can find a bad position.
So you support subways where population density doesn't support them, are against LRT's where they are appropriate, want more highways and suburbia then complain about the expense and time of your commute and finish it off by complaining about rapid transit.
 
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