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Poland Says Putin is Trying to Destabilise NATO

DinkleMouse

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Come on now. Keep telling yourself that. Biden is more concerned about hitting his diversity and lgbtq military numbers than actually deterring Putin.
$75 billion dollars says you're wrong.

In case you don't get the reference, that's how much aid Biden had sent Ukraine to stand up to Russia. Trump's plan to stand up to Russia was dissolve NATO. Tell me again which is tougher on Russia? Or are you going to deny Trump was working on dissolving NATO? And are you going to deny senior personnel, with a wealth of training and experiences, enlisted and commissioned, weren't bounced out by Trump's "anti-woke" military policies?

You've lost the plot. Either explain how dissolving NATO is tough on Putin and how $75 billion in aid isn't actively standing up to Putin, or be exposed as an empty shill. Your call. Do you have anything more than quips and Fox Entertainment "no reasonable person would believe these are facts" talking points or not? Let's find out.
 
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$75 billion dollars says you're wrong.

In case you don't get the reference, that's how much aid Biden had sent Ukraine to stand up to Russia. Trump's plan to stand up to Russia was dissolve NATO. Tell me again which is tougher on Russia? Or are you going to deny Trump was working on dissolving NATO? And are you going to deny senior personnel, with a wealth of training and experiences, enlisted and commissioned, weren't bounced out by Trump's "anti-woke" military policies?

You've lost the plot. Either explain how dissolving NATO is tough on Putin and how $75 billion in aid isn't actively standing up to Putin, or be exposed as an empty shill. Your call. Do you have anything more than quips and Fox Entertainment "no reasonable person would believe these are facts" talking points or not? Let's find out.
There you go again. Quoting facts.
 

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$75 billion dollars says you're wrong.

In case you don't get the reference, that's how much aid Biden had sent Ukraine to stand up to Russia. Trump's plan to stand up to Russia was dissolve NATO. Tell me again which is tougher on Russia? Or are you going to deny Trump was working on dissolving NATO? And are you going to deny senior personnel, with a wealth of training and experiences, enlisted and commissioned, weren't bounced out by Trump's "anti-woke" military policies?

You've lost the plot. Either explain how dissolving NATO is tough on Putin and how $75 billion in aid isn't actively standing up to Putin, or be exposed as an empty shill. Your call. Do you have anything more than quips and Fox Entertainment "no reasonable person would believe these are facts" talking points or not? Let's find out.
You are talking to people who continue watching fox after it paid three quarters of a billion for lying as if they were sentient human beings.
 
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$75 billion dollars says you're wrong.

In case you don't get the reference, that's how much aid Biden had sent Ukraine to stand up to Russia. Trump's plan to stand up to Russia was dissolve NATO. Tell me again which is tougher on Russia? Or are you going to deny Trump was working on dissolving NATO? And are you going to deny senior personnel, with a wealth of training and experiences, enlisted and commissioned, weren't bounced out by Trump's "anti-woke" military policies?

You've lost the plot. Either explain how dissolving NATO is tough on Putin and how $75 billion in aid isn't actively standing up to Putin, or be exposed as an empty shill. Your call. Do you have anything more than quips and Fox Entertainment "no reasonable person would believe these are facts" talking points or not? Let's find out.
I believe that was a negotiating tactic to get the NATO countries to start paying for their protection instead of leeching off the USA.

Is the USA just going to keep printing money to fund Ukraine forever? What happens when the money dries up?

Trump didnt have this dilemma bc countries knew not to mess with him. With Dementia Joe, they smell blood in the water.

And P.S. Fox News is trash. So is CNN. So is CBC. So is CTV.
 

toguy5252

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I believe that was a negotiating tactic to get the NATO countries to start paying for their protection instead of leeching off the USA.

Is the USA just going to keep printing money to fund Ukraine forever? What happens when the money dries up?

Trump didnt have this dilemma bc countries knew not to mess with him. With Dementia Joe, they smell blood in the water.

And P.S. Fox News is trash. So is CNN. So is CBC. So is CTV.
LMAO. Tha k you for a good laugh to start my day. Better than reading my Mad Magazine.
 
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I believe that was a negotiating tactic to get the NATO countries to start paying for their protection instead of leeching off the USA.
An yes, the Trump mind readers. It's not what he said, but what he meant. There's literally no way anyone, including you or Russia, could know what Trump might do in the future and what he meant. If there was a possibility NATO might dissolve, there was still no need for war. You can't circularly talk your way out of that by claiming Trump didn't mean the words he said and Russia knew it.

Is the USA just going to keep printing money to fund Ukraine forever? What happens when the money dries up?
Is Russia? My point wasn't that money is infinite. My point was that NATO has more money and equipment than Russia and its allies. So Russia and its allies will run out first. So you tell me what happens when the money dries up. How exactly do you think $370 billion is going to outlast more than $1 trillion?

Trump didnt have this dilemma bc countries knew not to mess with him. With Dementia Joe, they smell blood in the water.
Trump didn't have this dilemma because he was unhinged, unstable, and kept saying he was going to dissolve NATO.

Russia sent 50,000 troops into Ukraine on his watch all the same. The Russian invasion didn't start in February of last year, it was ongoing through Trump's entire presidency. It was just cold back then and went hot last February. When you ask why they didn't invade under Trump, you just expose your ignorance on the topic. They did. And if you think it wasn't hot because they were scared of Trump, you should learn some basic Russian and watch interviews in Russian with Putin and spend time in Russian telegram channels to see what they think of your cult leader and then get back to me.

And P.S. Fox News is trash. So is CNN. So is CBC. So is CTV.
And yet oddly you parrot Fox talking points, mixed with a little RT. You say it's trash, but clearly you still get info from it, even if it's just retweets or whatever "source" you're using.
 
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Donald Trump's animus against NATO is why, as the big orange turd himself boasted, he is the apple of Putin's eye.
 

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He will deny it very strongly and the chosen one will of course accept that regardless of what American intelligence agencies say.

Yea let's get rid of NATO. Putin is a great guy.
I don't think he would deny it strongly. Their whole fucking nation operated on wink-wink basis since at least 1917. They are so used to it. Putin would make sure every Russian knows it was him, and it does not really mater what non-Russians would think.
 
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One of the points of this "peace plan" is Russia surrendering and their leaders being subject to tribunal for war crimes.
And?
You said you wanted peace immediately.

It was dead on arrival. It was basically fantasy drawn up by the ex Dancing With the Stars contestant and former comedian.
Oh, so you don't think peace at all costs is appropriate, and in fact people can negotiate what they want?
So Ukraine is under no obligation to sue for peace if they think the terms are unfair?

Gotcha.
 

Valcazar

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Ask yourself, why werent there any wars when the Orange man was running things? Peace through strength my freedom loving man.
All the wars the US had going on when Trump got into office stopped while he was there?
That's Amazing!

How come none of the people that were involved in those wars noticed?
 

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I believe that was a negotiating tactic to get the NATO countries to start paying for their protection instead of leeching off the USA.

Is the USA just going to keep printing money to fund Ukraine forever? What happens when the money dries up?

Trump didnt have this dilemma bc countries knew not to mess with him. With Dementia Joe, they smell blood in the water.

And P.S. Fox News is trash. So is CNN. So is CBC. So is CTV.
I think this would be a great day to suggest that rump fly directly to Putin to negotiate some peace.
 

Valcazar

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An yes, the Trump mind readers. It's not what he said, but what he meant. There's literally no way anyone, including you or Russia, could know what Trump might do in the future and what he meant. If there was a possibility NATO might dissolve, there was still no need for war. You can't circularly talk your way out of that by claiming Trump didn't mean the words he said and Russia knew it.
The mind-reading/"what they really mean" bit is always a good bit.
 
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