Overrated athletes thread
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Ah, the Maradona hate continues...
However, to claim that he's overrated is ignorance beyond belief.
I don't think so. I'd put him in the top 10 most overrated athletes of all time.
Brian Urlacher [Agree]
Larry Johnson - NBA [Agree, but he was a beast at UNLV]
Anna Kournikova [Absolutely agree]
Amar'e Stoudemire [Agree but he's talented]
Entire 2009/2010 LA Lakers (besides Kobe) lol [Gasol is underrated..disagree]
Ray Allen [couldn't disagree more]
Patrick Ewing [agree]
Dirk Nowitzki [disagree, gotta give props to a white guy that can hang]
Jason Kidd [somewhat agree, he can't shoot]
Tedy Bruschi [agree]
Junior Seau [wow disagree]
Vince Carter [agree]
Chris Webber [agree]
Brett Favre [DISAGREE]
Tony Romo [agree]
Emmitt Smith [D-I-S-A-G-R-E-E]
Ah, the Maradona hate continues...
However, to claim that he's overrated is ignorance beyond belief.
The Maradona hate. CF, you're just too funny man!
Maradona himself has stated that he scored via handball. He was sent home from USA world cup for drug use. Fifa has no respect for his arrogance and dirty play.
He is trash, came from trash and will always be trash. Fathered a bastard and now faces tax evasion in Italy. Remember the fight he was involved in while playing in Europe where he attempted to karate kick his opponents. "You can take the boy out of the ghetto but not the ghetto out of the boy."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Maradona
Yeah, don't know where I got that idea...
How many times have you posted something like that?
Thierry Henry?
Unfortunate, but it was ephedrine use from an energy drink, not PEDs. Hardly Bonds-McGwire-Clemens level. Either way, it has nothing to do with his brilliance on the pitch for the near 20 years before.
Really? Can you source this? (I think this is case where a potentially delusional HOF = FIFA.)
Huh? What does this have to do with how he performed on the pitch? And how many footballers have had children out of wedlock/been involved in sex scandals or had tax issues.
So I guess that players like Roy Keane and Eric Cantona (and God knows how many others) are also trash and overrated?
Face it, you are allowing your personal bias to colour your posts. (Disgruntled England fan?) Whatever you think of the man personally, Diego Maradona brought it on the pitch like few ever.
CF read the articles, they are the sources of him being at odds with FIFA and AFA.
He's a cheater on and off the field in every aspect of life.
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/world-cup/story/_/id/698995/ce/uk/&cc=5901?ver=us
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/soccer/news/2000/12/10/maradona_pele_ap/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/988369.stm
The crazy coach!
http://www.smh.com.au/world-cup-201...ould-go-back-to-the-museum-20100617-ygtr.html
The Narcissist.
Maradona leaves out Argentina's best. Why because he doesn't want them to become bigger in Argentina than he is.
http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/67/w...gentinas-diego-maradona-picked-a-worse-squad-
Arrogance and Ignorance.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/soccer/exit-maradona/article1655417/
At odds with the AFA (Argentine Football Assoc.)
http://www.goal.com/en/news/1863/wo...tina-coach-diego-maradona-refuses-request-to-
Admits to hand ball, shuns the Pope and abuses drugs
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...od-goal-was-revenge-for-falklands-550743.html
The hypocrite and hand balls.
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2890...-brazil-star-kaka-slams-argentina-coach-diego
Maradona goes karate kid wild!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEeMSBy8EW0&feature=related
Maradona, one of sports ugliest moments.
http://www.comcast.net/slideshow/sports-ugliestmoments/47/
ephedrine use from an energy drink, not PEDs. It doesn't matter; it's a banned substance and there were 5 banned substances in his test read the second article. He used drugs on and off the field and who knows for how long!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephedra
http://www.nytimes.com/1994/07/01/s...second-test-maradona-is-out-of-world-cup.html
A brief comment on your attempts to deflect the issues away from Maradona.
T. Henry is a cheat. He admitted it and should be banned permanently.
Clemens, Canseco, McGwire, Sosa, etc are all cheats.
PED's cost Lyle Alzado his life http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steroid_use_in_American_football
Read this article: Carl Lewis is a cheat and liar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doping_(sport)
More cheaters!
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/indepth/drugs/stories/top10.html
http://www.ranker.com/list/top-10-p...tes-of-2009/myko?page=2&format=blogstyle_view
Oakville's own Tony Mandarich cheater: http://search.intelius.com/Tony-Man...l=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Mandarich
Dirty players:
Cantona, Keane and Zidane all dirty players.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hITuFw9ias0&NR=1 This is actually humourous
Elizabeth Lambert NCAA soccer, she must be a Maradona fan! http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/dirty-soccer-player-video-viral-bad-sportsmanship/story?id=9029940
WNBA brawl figures Laimbeer is one of the coaches. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE4s3C93Ex4
He's a cheater on and off the field in every aspect of life.
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/world-cup/story/_/id/698995/ce/uk/&cc=5901?ver=us
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/soccer/news/2000/12/10/maradona_pele_ap/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/988369.stm
The crazy coach!
http://www.smh.com.au/world-cup-201...ould-go-back-to-the-museum-20100617-ygtr.html
The Narcissist.
Maradona leaves out Argentina's best. Why because he doesn't want them to become bigger in Argentina than he is.
http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/67/w...gentinas-diego-maradona-picked-a-worse-squad-
Arrogance and Ignorance.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/soccer/exit-maradona/article1655417/
At odds with the AFA (Argentine Football Assoc.)
http://www.goal.com/en/news/1863/wo...tina-coach-diego-maradona-refuses-request-to-
Admits to hand ball, shuns the Pope and abuses drugs
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...od-goal-was-revenge-for-falklands-550743.html
The hypocrite and hand balls.
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2890...-brazil-star-kaka-slams-argentina-coach-diego
Maradona goes karate kid wild!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEeMSBy8EW0&feature=related
Maradona, one of sports ugliest moments.
http://www.comcast.net/slideshow/sports-ugliestmoments/47/
ephedrine use from an energy drink, not PEDs. It doesn't matter; it's a banned substance and there were 5 banned substances in his test read the second article. He used drugs on and off the field and who knows for how long!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephedra
http://www.nytimes.com/1994/07/01/s...second-test-maradona-is-out-of-world-cup.html
A brief comment on your attempts to deflect the issues away from Maradona.
T. Henry is a cheat. He admitted it and should be banned permanently.
Clemens, Canseco, McGwire, Sosa, etc are all cheats.
PED's cost Lyle Alzado his life http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steroid_use_in_American_football
Read this article: Carl Lewis is a cheat and liar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doping_(sport)
More cheaters!
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/indepth/drugs/stories/top10.html
http://www.ranker.com/list/top-10-p...tes-of-2009/myko?page=2&format=blogstyle_view
Oakville's own Tony Mandarich cheater: http://search.intelius.com/Tony-Man...l=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Mandarich
Dirty players:
Cantona, Keane and Zidane all dirty players.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hITuFw9ias0&NR=1 This is actually humourous
Elizabeth Lambert NCAA soccer, she must be a Maradona fan! http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/dirty-soccer-player-video-viral-bad-sportsmanship/story?id=9029940
WNBA brawl figures Laimbeer is one of the coaches. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE4s3C93Ex4
Most outstanding runners have had the luxury of a great offensive line. Payton for instance had an offensive line that would rival the Cowboys. Keep in mind Larry Allen didn't come into the league until 1994, so he missed their first 2 super bowls and Smith was running wild before he came. Also, great runners like Jim Brown, Franco Harris, OJ, Marcus Allen,Tony Dorsett had excellent linemen up front. I don't recall any outstanding linemen in Detroit, so Barry Sanders is quite likely the best of all time.
That's a far cry from "FIFA has no respect for his arrogance and dirty play." FIFA has never made an official statement of the sort...
The more you write things like this, the more you appear to have a personal issue. One handball and one failed test for a weight loss drug is hardly the stuff of real cheats.
And again, where does one draw the line of cheat or not? Diving (ahem, "simulating") in futbol/hockey, etc.? Recreational drugs outside the game? Rough play? How many times before someone is branded a "cheat?" And who would be left to play the sport? My guess would be no one would stand up to the HOF criteria.
Fuck, I'm not going to go through all of your b.s. links and comments.
My point is very simple: Diego Maradona is one of the handful of greatest players ever to lace up a pair of football boots. As a person? I don't know him - he's certainly no all-timer in life. To attempt to obfuscate his greatness on the pitch with a bunch of personal opinions and psuedo morality is folly.
However, if you want to make the claim that he's not one of the best futbol players - skill, winning and impact on the sport - ever, then please make your case and we can discuss.
Your links and commentary aren't particularly impressive in this regard.
Later in his career - the Bears built the All-Pro line in 82-84 - this was true. However, when Sweetness was racking up all the yards and touchdowns in the mid-70s and early 80s, the Bears offensive line was average at best.
The links and commentary were not to impress anyone; it's simply the information provided. The information that I provided was not to bewilder, confuse or stupefy. Oh yes, before you go using big words like pseudo, you should learn how to spell them. I've stated my point and provided the evidence that he is a cheater, dirty player, etc. If you don't wish to check the information that is your prerogative.
In CF's world, it's your opinion that matters, and anyone that doesn't agree with you has some sort of agenda. If you don't care to read other's opinions than click ignore.
Nice try. Instead of just discussing the issue, you choose to avoid and go off on a tangent, just because you don't know how to have a discussion. As mamma says, "child, please!"
The "information" you provided did not answer the questions, nor did it explain why Maradona is an overrated athlete (the whole point of this thread) other than your biased "he's trash" drivel, that you attempt to back up with one episode of cheating, one failed drug test for ephedrine, a video of some dirty play and some off-the-field foibles - all without recognizing the merits of his actual play.
If you were to make a definitive statement along the lines of "he wasn't one of the best players of his generation, let alone all time" for the body of his work on the pitch, then I could understand where you're coming from. You've made the entire argument based on your personality preference and I'm trying to see if it has any basis on his play or if it's just your personal opinion of the Maradona the person vs. Maradona the player.
For fuck's sake, Bobby Orr kicked at least one puck in the net, played dirty on more than a couple of occasions (including a kicking incident with Pat Quinn) and like most hockey players, probably took amphetamines in the form of Sudafed or some other cold medication. Does that make him overrated too? If so, it must be lonely in your insulated moral fortress of solitude - only angels need apply for HOF's HOF, I suppose.
My entire point is simple: if you think Maradona's overrated because of a handball, a failed doping test for ephedrine at the end of his career, a couple of kicks in a brawl and a less-than-stellar personal life, I'm saying that I think you've missed the mark. That's only exacerbated when you continually come across as someone with an unhealthy personal dislike for a man that you don't even know, especially when you use words like "trash" and "ghetto."
I'll ask you directly for the last time: based on his play, is Diego Maradona one of the greatest footballers of all time? Because up to this point, all you've posted is that he's a lousy person with a couple of blemishes on his on-field career, completely avoiding his brilliance as a footballer.
(And really, now you're checking spelling? It was obviously a typo. Sorry, I'll try harder next time just for you.)
You would argue with your shadow.
No, I don't think he was a brilliant player. He was a proven cheater and dirty player, and he was caught. He placed himself above everyone else. He did this as a player and manager. The fact that he cheated lied about it and years later owns up to it demonstrates his unsportsmanlike and personal attitude.
His personal issues were brought onto the pitch. They aren't blemishes; they're tarnishes. The only question is how many he didn't get caught!
No, I don't think he was a brilliant player. He was a proven cheater and dirty player, and he was caught. He placed himself above everyone else. He did this as a player and manager. The fact that he cheated lied about it and years later owns up to it demonstrates his unsportsmanlike and personal attitude.
His personal issues were brought onto the pitch. They aren't blemishes; they're tarnishes. The only question is how many he didn't get caught!
Now that I agree with 100%. He's a prolific runner that was always on shit teams no probowl o-line creating holes for him but he still got crazy yards and holds various records. And he only played 9 seasons, amazing. Sports wize the 2 things I'm most glad I got to witness was Barry Sanders breaking everyones ankles and Michael Jordan dismantling every team he faced.
