We "have" to pay some overtime to do what "needs" to be done. There's your problem right there. To serve and protect allows a huge swath of opinion on "what needs to be done".
Ontario Police: WTF!!
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I also said hire more officers to cut dow on the overtime and that will give a better return on your money, more boots on the ground.
You also forgot to highlight the last part. Apparently what's being done has the crime rate going in the right direction; down. yhoum off course what can be done to cut costs. The last we were on this amusement, one nutt bar suggested no need for over lapping shifts and show clearly how idiotic he was.
Give it your best shot.
You show very little understanding of crime and show a lack of sophisticated thinking. You must be a cop.
Crime rate has been going down throughout North America and the reasons are yet tbd. There are theories but NONE point to more or better policing as conviction rates have been declining rapidly especially among sexual assaults and more severe crime. The cops have nothing to do with declining crime rates. Most economist have pointed to aging demographics, increased abortions (yes you read that right), the evolution of the drug trade at the wholesale level, etc. Very few people except police chiefs who want more $ say it's cops. In fact it's pretty much agreed that the cops are under trained and getting dumber.That's pretty much a known fact among criminal lawyers, crown attorneys and Judges.
Tell that to the citizens of Edmonton. They'd be interested to know that. Maybe what the police are doing is working, except in Edmonton. You have nothing to base the thought that if serious cuts are made the crime won't go up.
http://news.sympatico.ctv.ca/home/edmontons_record_homicide_rate_leads_nation/1791f7ef
Detroit would also be interested in your claim.
So how many policing studies have you read to know this.
MBW, we already covered this undertrained question before, possibly before you decided to bless us with your wisdom outside the escort, stripper, and massage forum and your claim was shown to be totally bogus.
How about some facts/studies to support your claims and you depth of knowledge about policing.
Actually I read numerous studies. As I said, no one knows for sure why crime rates fell but in cities where police remained the same or were decreased (Cincinnati , Los Angles etc.) crime rates are still falling. The studies I find the most interesting are the ones that show the reality of Giuliani's New York explosion of cops on the road.They had to UNDER report crime because his "tough on crime" policy actually INCREASED crime. It decreased petty crime like pissing in the streets and street prostitution but increased larger crime 2 fold. Look it up officer. You look like you have a lot of time on your hands. Or you can cite your police manual where it states "Police are under trained uneducated Gods that need $$$$$ , donuts and less hours to function". Quote some of that shit.
Police need tough cops. Guys who like to take charge-control.
That is what turns on rapist, for them its fun to force people.
First some cops might enjoy arresting people--it could be fun to arrest people. Slapping the cuffs on, pat them down, driving them on in for booking but could get dull and if she seems not too upset at being arrested--like no big deal, so what--then it could be fun to rape her--bet she won't like that at all.
That is what turns on rapist, for them its fun to force people.
First some cops might enjoy arresting people--it could be fun to arrest people. Slapping the cuffs on, pat them down, driving them on in for booking but could get dull and if she seems not too upset at being arrested--like no big deal, so what--then it could be fun to rape her--bet she won't like that at all.
It's no secret that cops often make over 6 figures a year and they get crazy OT ($62. an hour) since they have the security jobs on lockdown.
Yes, I have several friends that are cops and they all make that kind of $.
"For the second year in a row, officer Michael Thompson of Traffic Services has topped the "sunshine list" of constables earning more than $100,000. He was paid $161,892 in 2009"
In 2008, 1,006 employees of the Toronto police service earned more than $100,000.
Those fattened pay cheques do not include lucrative "paid duty," where off-duty officers, paid by private companies, earn $60 to $70 an hour to perform such duties as directing traffic around construction
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/cri...2--toronto-police-100k-club-continues-to-grow
Yes, I have several friends that are cops and they all make that kind of $.
"For the second year in a row, officer Michael Thompson of Traffic Services has topped the "sunshine list" of constables earning more than $100,000. He was paid $161,892 in 2009"
In 2008, 1,006 employees of the Toronto police service earned more than $100,000.
Those fattened pay cheques do not include lucrative "paid duty," where off-duty officers, paid by private companies, earn $60 to $70 an hour to perform such duties as directing traffic around construction
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/cri...2--toronto-police-100k-club-continues-to-grow
Blackrock, slow down. I was only pointing out the obvious lack of logic in your argument. Just because the current police force works overtime, doesn't mean they have to work overtime. On the whole, the more officers we have, the less crime we will have. But at some point you have to say a certain number of officers is ridiculous. Or a certain number of manhours. I'm only saying that the fact the police force works overtime isn't proof that we need more officers.
not bad actually, but CONSIDERING what I've heard (for some) they pUT UP with everyday? lol...not nearly enough (for some) in my opinion
ref; http://www.payscale.com/research/CA/Job=Police_or_Sheriff's_Patrol_Officer/Salary
As you guys say the crime rate might be down but Toronto cops are getting worse at actually solving homicides.....
"Nationally, there has been a decrease in cleared homicides over the past 35 years, according to a study published this month in the journal International Criminal Justice Review.
In the '60s, approximately 95 per cent of homicides were solved, falling to about 80 per cent in the '80s, and continuing a downward trend in the '90s and this century. By 2003, Toronto's clearance rate hit a historic low of 53 per cent, inching upward to 54 per cent last year, and sliding to 44 per cent in 2010"
"“We are struggling to solve murders,” acknowledged one veteran Toronto homicide detective who asked to remain anonymous"
http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/article/914504--toronto-police-struggling-to-solve-murders
I think they are to busy hiding behind tree's with radar guns trying to nab you for doing 44 in a 40 zone:thumb:
"Nationally, there has been a decrease in cleared homicides over the past 35 years, according to a study published this month in the journal International Criminal Justice Review.
In the '60s, approximately 95 per cent of homicides were solved, falling to about 80 per cent in the '80s, and continuing a downward trend in the '90s and this century. By 2003, Toronto's clearance rate hit a historic low of 53 per cent, inching upward to 54 per cent last year, and sliding to 44 per cent in 2010"
"“We are struggling to solve murders,” acknowledged one veteran Toronto homicide detective who asked to remain anonymous"
http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/article/914504--toronto-police-struggling-to-solve-murders
I think they are to busy hiding behind tree's with radar guns trying to nab you for doing 44 in a 40 zone:thumb:
...um...even hackers can do that. It's on YOUTUBE how to 's, lmao. Just saying. You don't have to be a police officer to be able to do that (eg:if someone is making threats via emails and then deletes the email addresses....you can still trace where it came from)
It's no secret among the legal community and Judges that the current crop of constables becoming detectives is atrocious. They can't even do BASIC investigative skills and are so corrupt/stupid that they actually screw up disclosure in some very huge cases. I don't mean complex material either, simple stuff like a proper interview of the victims, proper notes, proper logs etc.
The pay duty claim has already been discussed and found to be no big deal. You were around during the last discussion, but obvious forget. Yes,$62/hr, but the average cop doesn't get a lot of pay duty assignment and much of the pay duty cost comes from other sources than the city coffers. I think the average pay duty take was ~$4000 a year, about 66 hours a year. Nothing major in my books.
You must have missed this one.
Actually they have a pretty good idea;
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1963761,00.html
Health care, climate change, terrorism — is it even possible to solve big problems? The mood in Washington is not very hopeful these days. But take a look at what has happened to one of the biggest, toughest problems facing the country 20 years ago: violent crime. For years, Americans ranked crime at or near the top of their list of urgent issues. Every politician, from alderman to President, was expected to have a crime-fighting agenda, yet many experts despaired of solutions. By 1991, the murder rate in the U.S. reached a near record 9.8 per 100,000 people. Meanwhile, criminologists began to theorize that a looming generation of so-called superpredators would soon make things even worse.(See the top 10 crime stories of 2009.)
Then, a breakthrough. Crime rates started falling. Apart from a few bumps and plateaus, they continued to drop through boom times and recessions, through peace and war, under Democrats and Republicans. Last year's murder rate may be the lowest since the mid-1960s, according to preliminary statistics released by the Department of Justice. The human dimension of this turnaround is extraordinary: had the rate remained unchanged, an additional 170,000 Americans would have been murdered in the years since 1992. That's more U.S. lives than were lost in combat in World War I, Korea, Vietnam and Iraq — combined. In a single year, 2008, lower crime rates meant 40,000 fewer rapes, 380,000 fewer robberies, half a million fewer aggravated assaults and 1.6 million fewer burglaries than we would have seen if rates had remained at peak levels.
(See pictures of crime in Middle America.)
There's a catch, though. No one can convincingly explain exactly how the crime problem was solved. Police chiefs around the country credit improved police work. Demographers cite changing demographics of an aging population. Some theorists point to the evolution of the drug trade at both the wholesale and retail levels, while for veterans of the Clinton Administration, the preferred explanation is their initiative to hire more cops. Renegade economist Steven Levitt has speculated that legalized abortion caused the drop in crime. (Fewer unwanted babies in the 1970s and '80s grew up to be thugs in the 1990s and beyond.)
The truth probably lies in a mix of these factors, plus one more: the steep rise in the number of Americans in prison. As local, state and federal governments face an era of diminished resources, they will need a better understanding of how and why crime rates tumbled. A sour economy need not mean a return to lawless streets, but continued success in fighting crime will require more brains, especially in those neighborhoods where violence is still rampant and public safety is a tattered dream.
The Lockup Factor
In his book Why Crime Rates Fell, Tufts University sociologist John Conklin concluded that up to half of the improvement was due to a single factor: more people in prison. The U.S. prison population grew by more than half a million during the 1990s and continued to grow, although more slowly, in the next decade. Go back half a century: as sentencing became more lenient in the 1960s and '70s, the crime rate started to rise. When lawmakers responded to the crime wave by building prisons and mandating tough sentences, the number of prisoners increased and the number of crimes fell.
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1963761,00.html#ixzz1brLbYOzH
I think that site is for the US.not bad actually, but CONSIDERING what I've heard (for some) they pUT UP with everyday? lol...not nearly enough (for some) in my opinion
ref; http://www.payscale.com/research/CA/Job=Police_or_Sheriff's_Patrol_Officer/Salary
Of ~7000 officers in TO, and according to one post ~1400 officers got sunshine pay, do the math. It's nowhere near half as on poster claimed earlier..
I didn't claim proof, but that hiring more cops would bring the over all cost down per man hour. More bang for the buck. A different point all together. So cops are granted overtime by their supervisor just for the hell of it. Actually the higher ups have to justify the overtime to their superiors, so the amount is excessive, the reasons have to be pretty solid.
For you to have that information you'd have to be part of that community. I doubt you are. Your reading skills were shown to be lacking in another post so, show us a report on this well known fact. If you can't it's questionable hearsay coming from a very questionable source. Actually I suspect the lawyers on TERB will pipe up about this one .
I'll take their point of view over you any time.
