O’Toole is out

[danmand]

There isn't a Conservative in Canada talking about "removing" Universal health care. There are, however, better ways to spend all the money that is poured into it.

That is code for reducing coverage.

The conservatives cannot fool the people that easily.. Canadians are better educated than Americans.

PS: Not a week goes by without a conservative Terb member posting that the Universal health care in Canada is un-sustainable and has to be limited.

 

[Dutch Oven]

How many more leaders will the Conservatives elect and then fire before they realize that the problem is the party? I still remember when the Tories used to be the party of personal accountability.

You have a short memory. It wasn't all that long ago that the Conservatives were the governing party.

However, like a rock band that somehow forgets why they were popular in the first place, the elements for success are still there, and the party and platform need only be assembled back in the correct way.

 

[Brill]

Party members all across Canada chose O’Toole, I think they would pick him again if he decided to run.
Thousands of card carrying members are closer to the grassroots of the party than a handful of disgruntled Western MPs.

 

[JeanGary Diablo]

You have a short memory. It wasn't all that long ago that the Conservatives were the governing party.

However, like a rock band that somehow forgets why they were popular in the first place, the elements for success are still there, and the party and platform need only be assembled back in the correct way.

Is that by being more socially conservative? If you think so, I am barely able to contain my laughter.

 

[Brill]

You have a short memory. It wasn't all that long ago that the Conservatives were the governing party.

However, like a rock band that somehow forgets why they were popular in the first place, the elements for success are still there, and the party and platform need only be assembled back in the correct way.

They were only the governing party because the Liberals had losers like Dion and Ignatieff as leaders.

 

[Insidious Von]

Funnily enough, I have never been able to vote federally for the Tories because Diefenbaker cancelled the AVRO Arrow.

Not only did Diefenbaker scrap the Avro Arrow, he also pissed on the dead subway workers who got crushed on the Hogg's Hollow cave in. Diefenbaker was a defender of WASP Hegemony anything that didn't uphold that tradition was smegma. The Avro Arrow came out of the Canadian Engineering Corps that allowed Canada to have the most advanced armed forces post WW II. So good was our armed forces that they covered the American fighting retreat and held the Pusan salient in Korea. Without the Canadians, MacArthur wouldn't have had the time to launch his amphibious assault on Inchon.

An electrical short caused the Hoggs Hollow Disaster in 1960, five Italian immigrant formers and welders lost their lives. Both Premiere Leslie Frost and John Robarts attended the funeral. By doing so the Ontario Conservative leaders guaranteed 25 more years of government. Diefenbaker could not have cared less, he doomed the Federal CPC to 20 years in opposition.

The quilt commemorating the 5 dead men is on display at the York Mills Subway Station.

 

[Dutch Oven]

That is code for reducing coverage.

The conservatives cannot fool the people that easily.. Canadians are better educated than Americans.

Perhaps my problem is that you don't understand or intend the words you use. Did you think "remove" meant the same thing as "re-organize" (or even your new word "reduce")?

If Canadians were that much smarter than Americans, it wouldn't take a bunch of independent truckers to get governments to start allowing our economy to function again (before we truly are bankrupt).

 

[Dutch Oven]

They were only the governing party because the Liberals had losers like Dion and Ignatieff as leaders.

Unlike that "winner" TrueDope who managed to turn a majority into a minority, and then, completely controlling the timing of the next election, another minority (with even less popular vote)? Any decent Conservative leader should have fair odds to beat that sort of "winner".

 

[Brill]

Unlike that "winner" TrueDope who managed to turn a majority into a minority, and then, completely controlling the timing of the next election, another minority (with even less popular vote)? Any decent Conservative leader should have fair odds to beat that sort of "winner".

Trudeau ended up with only a minority because of OToole’s success against an incumbent during a world crisis. OToole’s reward was to get tossed aside.

 

[JeanGary Diablo]

Unlike that "winner" TrueDope who managed to turn a majority into a minority, and then, completely controlling the timing of the next election, another minority (with even less popular vote)? Any decent Conservative leader should have fair odds to beat that sort of "winner".

The Liberals could put a gerbil at the helm, and the Liberals, under the gerbil, would still beat the born-loser Conservatives right now.

The Liberals are far from great, but the Conservatives are so unbelievably out of touch with Canadians as a collective whole it's almost frightening.

The CPC is little more than a regional grievance party for Albertans, Saskaweenies and rural Canadians. That's a cold, hard fact.

 

[poker]

Projection on your part. Increasingly people want politicians who are effective at improving the things that really matter to their lives, like: job and profit opportunity for themselves and their children, control over inflation, managing the tax burden, maintaining critical infrastructure, etc. They don't view those sort of policy priorities as "centrist". They view it as reality based.


Ford will not be re-elected because he failed conservatives, not because liberals don't like him enough.

Who is going to beat Ford? Are you voting for Andrea Horvath? Or maybe Delduca?

Conservative monority.

I still think Ford could take the Federal Leadership and run for PM.

 

[poker]

Erin O'toole is not an evil man and thus he should not be kicked while down
He just did not get the job done

I honestly believe him to be a good honest hard working man devoted to public service
I really hope he stays on with the party

His downfall was flip flopping on Key issues and trying to appeal to everyone.
He should have had a laser focus on exploiting the shortfalls of the moron Trudeau. No lack of material there

Agreed.

 

[lomotil]

You are wrong. Harper did had just enough support in Quebec. And the Harper decade was not a good one for the sovereignty cause. He killed it. As it should be. He was instrumental for the Quebec shift out of radical leftist sovereignty.

If one guy can do what Mulroney did it's definitely Poilievre. And he knows it.

The problem that any prospective leader for the Conservatives faces is not so much defeating the Liberals and even getting a minority vote let along a majority, but is battling the slings and arrows of the malicious Alberta grass roots wing of the party who will simply not let Poilievre get in bed with Quebec. The fact that anemic Trudeau cannot be taken down at this time by the Cons speaks volumes and it was not O’Tooles fault in last September’s election neither. Poilievre should wisely decline at this time.The Cons are not currently progressive and are simply not electable as per the Canadian voters at this time.
Besides, a Bernier versus Poilievre showdown will further gut the Conservative Party.

 

[danmand]

Perhaps my problem is that you don't understand or intend the words you use. Did you think "remove" meant the same thing as "re-organize" (or even your new word "reduce"

No, I think your problem is within yourself.

Re-do or re-organize in the conservative mind is code for remove or reduce.

 

[mandrill]

In terms of dumbfuckery the British Tories make the GOP look like Rhodes Scholars, Brexit is eroding Britain's economic clout little by little. Thatcher knew that you couldn't please everyone, she liberalized London's financial services making the city very rich. Boris Johnson, won a majority by promising Northumberland that the country would level up. Harold Wilson tried it and London nearly went bankrupt.

Canada's Progressive Conservatives were not killed off by Harper, Mulroney killed them off in the 1988 Election. Harper won a majority when Jack Layton took Liberal seats in Quebec. Now was not the time for Erin O'Toole to fall on his sword, this is a replay of the Liberals in 2010. And Pierre Poilievre is a weasel, not someone I would vote for. Are the Conservatives about to Ignatieff themselves.

You are assuming - probably wrongly - that BoJo and his chums thought about more than winning the next election or 2 and lining their own pockets. TBH, I don't think that BoJo is anything more than simply that.

 

[poker]

Conservative options???

Resurrect Harper. He is still respected by the party as whole.

Pierre P.…. If he runs, he is a master at pointing out flaws of his opponents.

March Peter McKay out again as O’Toole light and go down the same road as before.

O’Leary…. He quit as he said he could not win Quebec. I think someone had dirt on him. “Republican dirty tricks!”

Ford. Yup, I went there.

Who might the dark horses be that emerge, as O’Toole was a huge surprise to me last time. Sloan comes back? Randy Hillier goes Fed?

 

[Bbw hunter]

In terms of dumbfuckery the British Tories make the GOP look like Rhodes Scholars, Brexit is eroding Britain's economic clout little by little. Thatcher knew that you couldn't please everyone, she liberalized London's financial services making the city very rich. Boris Johnson, won a majority by promising Northumberland that the country would level up. Harold Wilson tried it and London nearly went bankrupt.

Canada's Progressive Conservatives were not killed off by Harper, Mulroney killed them off in the 1988 Election. Harper won a majority when Jack Layton took Liberal seats in Quebec. Now was not the time for Erin O'Toole to fall on his sword, this is a replay of the Liberals in 2010. And Pierre Poilievre is a weasel, not someone I would vote for. Are the Conservatives about to Ignatieff themselves.

I think you mean The 1993 Election. Mulroney won a majority in 1988.

 

[danmand]

Conservative options???

Resurrect Harper. He is still respected by the party as whole.

Pierre P.…. If he runs, he is a master at pointing out flaws of his opponents.

March Peter McKay out again as O’Toole light and go down the same road as before.

O’Leary…. He quit as he said he could not win Quebec. I think someone had dirt on him. “Republican dirty tricks!”

Ford. Yup, I went there.

Who might the dark horses be that emerge, as O’Toole was a huge surprise to me last time. Sloan comes back? Randy Hillier goes Fed?

You forgot Ben Mulroney

 

[poker]

You forgot Ben Mulroney

We are all trying to do that.

 

[Valcazar]

When a salesman arrives at your door offering very affordable sides of meat from a reputable local butcher, you tend not to hear him out fairly if there's a faux-pious mob standing right behind him screaming "Don't trust him - he's a Vampire in disguise!".

In this case, the irony is that the faux-pious bunch happen to be the real vampires, sucking at the jugular of the taxpayer, and understanding who keeps bringing their victims to the slaughter.

Seems like you have a highly serious and realistic grasp of the situation.