You nailed it. O'Toole was not the problem; the party itself is the problem. The CPC can't see all of Canada past Alberta and Saskatchewan.
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I see it as another in a long list of Canadians wanting to emulate USA. The Canadian conservatives see with glee how successful the Republicans in USA have been after they went far right, and think they can do the same here in Canada. Maybe they need to elect Kevin O'Leary, the Canadian Trump.
They will get most of the Terb votes.
They will get most of the Terb votes.
Correct indeed. But of a french-Albertan teachers (altough his adopted mother was Irish).
Yes, but that just means they won't get elected.
That's ok.
What Albertan's can never get is that we are in Quebec much more centered then they think we are. They still see us as fuckers who wanted to separate. But my god that is gone and dying since 20 years. The west needs to wake up
For the past 4 years we elected a provincial party (the CAQ) that is purely centered.
As for betray can a PM really ignore the power of numbers that represent Ontario then Quebec?
That's the worry.
O'Toole was supposed to be the moderate to keep the crazy in check, but it looks like the base wants US-GOP-Grade Crazy.
They don't understand why the Republicans are successful.
There are a bunch of structural elements in place (the Presidential system, more veto points, two-parties with much more dominance) that the Cons here don't have. It also seems that the White Grievance vote just isn't as big a group here, which makes the lack of support for minority rule even more of a problem.
O'Toole pivoted into a red tory which was strike one. He got overwhelmed during covid and became invisible and failed to establish himself. When he did emerge, he came up with some climate bullshit of no moment that voters didn't care about- strike two. And last week, instead of going into the crowd, pressing flesh and talking to the people, he reacted to the rotten media. He still hasn't figured out that those who start with "racist and misogynistic " when describing Canadian citizens are beyond redemption. Strike three. Pierre Poilievre, on the other hand, took his time, went into the crowd and compared it to the media's reporting and had the balls to dish it out straight. I have no idea where this is going, but if I get the fundraising letter from PP, he will get my donation.
The conservatives as a far right party will be marginalized. Ontario and Quebec want centrist leaders, a red Tory will do, but not a Reform Party.
Doug Ford is not "red tory" enough for most people, and likely will not get another term.
Lots of differences.
1. SK is the only "red state" in Canada. AB is sort of red depending how Calgary and Edmonton are going to vote in any given election.
2. Canada is far more urban than the US and urban areas vote centre or left of centre.
3. Traditionally, small town Quebec votes differently than small town English Canada and doesn't vote CPC.
4. No senate.
5. No counter-ideology of "Jesus, the flag, anti-welfare" in Canada. No creation myth about the constitution and "God chose America". Lots of immigrants in melting pot cities who just want stability and prosperity.
That's not necessarily true. O'Leary didn't win, Bernier didn't win. The CPC opted for a middle of the road candidate- a far cry from Trump and the Republicans. So, you cannot blame the party. The CPC membership gave O'Toole every opportunity to shine and even rejected, with extreme prejudice, the attempt by Bernier to establish a conservative alternative. O'Toole has none but himself to blame. He didn't deliver at the deadline during the election and he never cemented his hold on the party. Mostly, he himself never really established the firm ideological ground for the membership and the voters to rally about. The lefties keep forgetting that Trump, beside his unique style, actually ran on solid conservative issues that were important to the voters.
O'Toole was supposed to be a conservative who was "nice" enough for moderates to listen to the conservative platform and vote for it. Instead, he just turned out to be a wishy washy sort of Liberal. Nice only takes you part of the way to accomplishing anything.
O' Toole surged and then sagged and the thought process went something like: "Hey, this guy is pleasant, commonsense and smart and JT is an asshole." And then "But the CPC will undermine and destroy O'Toole and we'll end up having an unwanted right wing government."
So EOT lost in Central Canada and Central Canada was dead-on right. Nothing wrong with EOT. Give him the Liberal Party and he would have won a majority.
The "ideological ground for the membership to rally around" is exactly why Canada rejected the CPC this time as well.
Trump won a minority of the popular vote in a system which values MT and the Deep South way more than CA or the North East. Canada isn't set up like that.
Projection on your part. Increasingly people want politicians who are effective at improving the things that really matter to their lives, like: job and profit opportunity for themselves and their children, control over inflation, managing the tax burden, maintaining critical infrastructure, etc. They don't view those sort of policy priorities as "centrist". They view it as reality based.
Ford will not be re-elected because he failed conservatives, not because liberals don't like him enough.
3. True but Except the Quebec city area. Quebec city area has been thriving economically for decades. They are fully centered and will vote CPC as they did for Harper. Northern region of Lac-St-Jean can easily become CPC such as part of Montreal and Gatineau.
5. Haha so true. We do not worship our leaders. We are not in a cult in Canada. Never saw a house or a car painted to a polical leader. The west probably is a bit more religious and will mix it with their politics but that does not cut it in Ontario and surely not in Quebec!
And now the Conservatives have a chance to elect a leader with a clear platform. I suspect - as I think you do - that it will not be a "red tory" platform, which I think will doom the Conservatives in Ontario and Quebec.
Interesting view.
Definitely totally unelectable in Canada.
Sounds like your yellow vest/Maverick team is so close to the Trump like team in all ways you support.
