new prostitution bill by spring

[staggerspool]

Attitudes like hers are what are going to need to change before anything else does. I can't believe the ignorance.

Her attitude will never change, like Joy Smith's. Sensible people read these kind of blanket condemnations for what they are - polemic statements, not meant to start discussion but to establish battle lines. It's tough having to come up with something to say for a scheduled column, a lot of crap gets published by this sort of writer as a result, and she falls in there with the worst of them.

Whatever, she's the one suffering in ignorance. My bet is she's employed by the star just to create controversy, and in fact is required to do so to keep her job. She can foam all she wants, I suspect she will do more harm than good to her "cause" simply because she is so obvious. I've read a few of her columns that just don't pass the simple test of reasonable comment, and I bet this one will read the same way.

 

[Viggo Rasmussen]

No I meant whether the new laws would be extended to strip bars as well? Yes I believe in Nordic style model having consensual sex with a volunteer adult escort would be same as sexual assault.

The Nordic model doesn't see consensual sex with an escort as sexual assault.

 

[Viggo Rasmussen]

Also another contradiction of feminists : If they believe men and women are equal, then why should I pay for dating ? Can't they just pay for themselves as they are equal to men ?

You're trying to convince someone that you're worth spending time with, appearing generous and putting them first.
To be equal, maybe a feminist would take this role and seduce you in this way?
Many guys would see this as emasculating, therefore it would often backfire.

 

[wilbur]

If they're going to ban paying for sex, they have to define what sex is, and what paying for sex is. If they try to capture as much as possible, they start encroaching onto everyday behaviour. In a MP, if the attendant gives a HJ as a freebie but the massage fee is higher, is that paying for sex; is a HJ sex, or is it only intercourse? What if the guy is allowed to masturbate himself, is that paying for sex? Who determines what is a reasonable price for a massage? What if a MP charges a normal rate, but gives HJ's as a freebie to attract business? Like in the case of a one night stand, would the guy who gives the woman taxi fare so she can get home be guilty of paying for sex? Or a single mother on welfare picks up a guy in a bar, brings him home and after sex, asks the guy for some cash to feed the kid because she's run out of cash for the month. Or a short relationship, after sex, the guy gives the woman a gift like earrings or even flowers; is that paying for sex? What if it's not money that's being exchanged but a Canadian Tire purchasing voucher? I know this is getting silliy and a cop is not going to stalk women hanging around bars, but the law itself has to be clear and not vague. I think they are getting bogged down with the sillyness of defining what sex for money is, and this is why MacKay's deadline for a spring Bill is slipping.

 

[canada-man]

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/05/3...-sex-slave-rescue-fantasy.html?_r=0&referrer=


recently a anti-sex slavery activist recently outed for being a liar and a fraud . this can be used against Feminazi Joy Smith

 

[ANN GALLERIE]

Seeing as it's summer (such as it is)already, looks like no one is in a hurry to pass this bill, leaving things essentially the same as they were and just as dangerous.

Torontonians have a high tolerance for brothels because, per one Metro sergeant, there's pretty much one in every condo building anyway.

My concern is that Canadians, particularly those affected, are

a. not getting a lot of input into these laws, and
b. hot getting any feedback in terms of what these laws will be.

WHY?

 

[Viggo Rasmussen]

I think some states in the US state clearly what kind of sexual activities are subject to prostitution laws.
Just take an example: Minnesota prostitution laws:
http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/prostitution-pimping-and-pandering-laws-minnesota.htm

Sexual penetration”

Under Minnesota law, sexual penetration is:

sexual intercourse
cunnilingus
fellatio
anal intercourse, or
any intrusion however slight into the genital or anal openings of an individual’s body by any part of another individual’s body or any object.

The crime is complete when done for the purpose of satisfying sexual impulses. “Sexual penetration” does not require the emission of semen under Minnesota law. (Minn. Stat. Ann. § 609.321 Subd. 11.)

This leaves out splattering her face after getting a Russian, I believe.

:thumb:

 

[drlove]

Dreaming ?? Joy Smith was the one dreaming when she suggested banning online porn last year and nobody in parliament took her seriously .

I was referring to the part where you said that you hoped Peter Mackay would be smarter than her...

 

[drlove]

While I'd like to get my hopes up, I think that if the bill is significantly delayed, they will just ask for an extension.

 

[gcostanza]

Seeing as it's summer (such as it is)already, looks like no one is in a hurry to pass this bill, leaving things essentially the same as they were and just as dangerous.

Still 19 days left of spring.

 

[staggerspool]

It is incredible how the media is playing it referring to this poll as "Canadians voted for Nordic laws......". This survey is highly skewed by interest groups who got united and heavily voted in favor of abolition the result of which is contrary to all other polls. What bothers me the most is that between terb-merb-perb there are 300,00 members. If only ONE percent of (more) members had voted, it would have been a completely different results as far as criminalization of purchase is concerned. The indifference during the month of survey with the low number of views of related threads and some posting that it will not make a difference or their IP address would be traced!!!!!! is mind boggling indeed.

One possibility - most of us aren't that freaked out. My mind certainly isn't boggled. I understand it completely. I filled out the survey, but some seem to think I am duty bound to be writing my MP, buttonholing my friends to support my hobby, yelling from the roof tops... some of us have concerns that prevent that sort of demonstration. And some of us just don't think it's going to be the end of the world, even with the Nordic model. And a lot of us don't think the Nordic model is actually going to happen. And NONE of us know for sure.

The coverage I've seen seems simply to be pointing out what the survey found, and several say things like "no consensus" and "the survey suggests that nothing much should change." Other than Heather Malik and her poisonous little attempt to insist that she should dictate opinion for everyone, there isn't a lot really out there yet. Let's see how this develops, especially after the actual law is proposed. Until then, I'm not worrying about the sky falling.

 

[drlove]

It is incredible how the media is playing it referring to this poll as "Canadians voted for Nordic laws......". Who said government does not control the media in this country???.

This survey is highly skewed by interest groups who got united and heavily voted in favor of abolition the result of which is contrary to all other polls. What bothers me the most is that between terb-merb-perb there are 300,00 members. If only ONE percent of (more) members had voted, it would have been a completely different results as far as criminalization of purchase is concerned. The indifference during the month of survey with the low number of views of related threads and some posting that it will not make a difference or their IP address would be traced!!!!!! is mind boggling indeed.

I blame them also... after all, it was so obvious what the government had planned. But oh no, they continued living in lala land not bothering to make an effort. Well, this is the result. :frusty:

 

[drlove]

The plot thickens...

 

[Keebler Elf]

I wouldn't call 56% a "clear majority". It's a majority, but just barely. And when 1 in 3 want it decriminalized, that tells you something.

How can it be legal to sell sex but not to buy?

 

[ANN GALLERIE]

ARITE ARITE ARITE it's not quite summer yet- how soon we forget that there was snow in Barrie a month ago (so I was speaking metaphorically)....

.....bunch of old women

We did get some input into the new laws, but on a minimal scale. These laws, whatever they end up being, potentially could affect of thousands of Canadians and potentially affect similar laws globally. At this juncture, with 18 days of Spring left .... and counting (tick tick....) we should have some indication of where the wind is drifting. But no.............

 

[Viggo Rasmussen]

Jared Brock, who co-produced the sex-trafficking documentary, Red Light Green Light, said he's thrilled to see so much public support for the Nordic model.

"Most Canadians we found didn't realize that they had other options between the two extremes of prohibition and full legalization," Brock said.

He said full legalization of prostitution would be a disaster for vulnerable people, especially aboriginal women and girls.

The Conservative government doesn't give a shit about aboriginal women. If they did, they wouldn't be so vulnerable.

 

[mynameisearl11]

I wouldn't call 56% a "clear majority". It's a majority, but just barely. And when 1 in 3 want it decriminalized, that tells you something.

How can it be legal to sell sex but not to buy?

+1... I got stuck with the potential new definitions of selling and buying,too! Could someone please explain to me what the difference if your wife decided to file charge on you because you just paid her cash as a weekly allowance after sex in your own home? (She's selling you sex and you are a buyer...right?...lol)
Well, I don't care. I just need to go out there and fk sp's till I drop! In case I will go to jail after the new bill becomes law...lol!

 

[blackrock13]

Christine Bruckert (professor of criminology at the University of Ottawa) on Power Play was great. She basically said what was very true. That the survey is inaccurate and biased with skewed questions and results and challenged an unbiased poll, That there will be considerable harm to sex workers if Nordic model is implemented. That It would be as bad as old laws and if implemented and that we will be back to the Supreme Court again fighting the new laws.

She also favoured the New Zealand solution, but puritan Harper won't let that happen. It will make it's way to the SCOC, AGAIN, and get sent packing.

 

[RagerRabbit]

If they legalized it completely, and therefore create a new industry subject to taxes and rules along with a likely increase in demand with an influx of tourists from across the boarder then the cost would likely go up and the influx of workers may go up.

If they criminalized 'Johns" then would the demand would go down? And if so would the cost's follow or at least stabilize? And would the ladies that are left be the ones who truly enjoy this work and are therefore forced to be careful to protect their customers?

I'm not for this model, in fact I filled in the survey with a slant against. But now I think about it, it may be a way to stabilize the community so we're left with a customer focused relationship, that benefits both parties by the sex worker protecting the good clients and having a way to weed out bad customers.

The worry I have is the many lives that get ruined by those honest folk getting burned when attempting to forge a good relationship with a worker and get busted. So communities like this maybe the only way to safely enjoy this hobby in the future.

Anyway, lets see what the bill says. But don't automatically think the Nordic model is going to be bad, just a different way of doing business and maybe one where your forced to use interpersonal skills.

 

[nottyboi]

FYI:



You can view the results of the survey here: http://www.ctvnews.ca/polopoly_fs/1.1848217!/httpFile/file.pdf

As I suspected the survey proves Canadians are just as dumb as Americans.