Big surprise.
The conservatives run a government poll which somehow manages to back what they seem to want to do.
Who would expect Harper to play fair on this one, he hasn't played fair on anything else.
new prostitution bill by spring
- Thread starter gtamassage
- Start date
The conservatives run a government poll which somehow manages to back what they seem to want to do.
Who would expect Harper to play fair on this one, he hasn't played fair on anything else.
Here's a start; http://www.angusreidglobal.com/poll...ng-to-allow-adults-to-engage-in-prostitution/
How to Deal with Prostitution
There are some striking differences in the way Canadians perceive the issue of prostitution. One-in-ten respondents (10%) would only punish the “clients”, while one per cent would exclusively punish the prostitutes. More than a third (36%) believe both the prostitutes and their “clients” should be punished. However, more than two-in-five respondents (45%) believe nobody should be punished and that adults should be allowed to engage in consensual prostitution.
While three-in-five men (59%) state that nobody should be punished, only a third of women (32%) concur. In fact, women are more likely to endorse an approach that punishes both prostitutes and “clients”.
A majority of Canadians (54%) endorse the argument that prostitutes should be allowed to work indoors or in brothels because this will make them safer, and stop them from working on the streets. A third of respondents (34%) disagree with this idea, and claim that this course of action would lead to a legitimization of prostitution, which could turn Canada into a safe haven for sex tourism.
Once again, the gender gap is evident. While men support the notion of prostitutes working indoors by a large margin (65% to 25%), women are almost evenly divided on this issue (44% to 42%).
On a question that provides three policy options to deal with the issue of prostitution in Canada, half of Canadians (49%) would opt to decriminalize some of the actions surrounding prostitution that are currently illegal and allowing adults to engage in consensual prostitution. One-in-four respondents (24%) would prohibit prostitution entirely, and make it illegal to exchange sex for money. Only 15 per cent of respondents would keep the status quo, which criminalizes some of the activities surrounding prostitution.
Three-in-five men (60%) voice support for the decriminalization of prostitution, compared to two-in-five women (38%). Respondents aged 35 to 54 (56%) and those over the age of 55 (51%) are more likely to support allowing adults to engage in consensual prostitution than those aged 18 to 34 (39%).
http://www.angusreidglobal.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/2010.10.19_Prost_CAN.pdf
The Conservatives won't let anyone examine the methodology of their survey just the result, wonder why.
It`s astounding. I almost can`t believe a `liberal` paper like the Star let that piece be printed.
The writer attempts to make a compelling case against prostitution of any kind, but uses only the most vulnerable subset of prostitutes to make her point (i.e. street workers, those underaged, coerced/pimped) and completely ignores that group of sex workers who may well enter this profession because they freely choose to.
This is just an exercise by the Conservatives to prepare the ground for their sop to the religious right. It is their goal to shift the country as far towards the social conservative religious right as they can. Doing it on issues like abortion would be suicide, so this is the issue they will use as their flagship social policy.
The recent string of media stories is also the work of the party. They have flunkies assigned to monitoring the police blotters and then forwarding any sex crime story to all the reporters to try and increase the amount of media coverage in general.
It is an orchestrated PR campaign. This is what political parties do, to build support for their agenda.
The recent string of media stories is also the work of the party. They have flunkies assigned to monitoring the police blotters and then forwarding any sex crime story to all the reporters to try and increase the amount of media coverage in general.
It is an orchestrated PR campaign. This is what political parties do, to build support for their agenda.
I have yet to hear of anyone in the media discuss the obviously ludicrous contradiction of having a service that is legal to sell, yet illegal to buy. Defies logic.
Also, I do not know why terbites are blaming Harper and the "religious right" (which does not even exist in Canada as a movement). Sure there are so-called social conservatives, but clearly the far more vocal liberals and feminists support the shut down of our hobby, and have made their intentions known:
"In French, Trudeau went further, saying it’s important to recognize that “prostitution itself is a form of violence against women.” He called for a “responsible, informed debate” on the issue. Trudeau also said Liberals are “certainly going to look at” the so-called Nordic model, which penalizes those who purchase sex, not those who sell it." from - http://www.citynews.ca/2014/01/17/trudeau-wary-of-proposal-to-legalize-prostitution/
Take a look at who most of the signatories of this open letter calling for the Nordic Model in Canada:
http://lawc.on.ca/open-letter-calls-for-nordic-approach-to-prostitution-in-canada/
If anything the conservative-libertarians among us (myself included) would clearly not support increasing state intervention in the lives of consenting adults, and what they choose to do in private.
I hope I am wrong but...
In a word gentlemen, when the political left and right, and (feminist) women's groups, are all aligned against the hobby, we are totally "screwed". The only chance is another future court decision, but if this last one produces the debacle I fear it might, I don't see much hope.
Also, I do not know why terbites are blaming Harper and the "religious right" (which does not even exist in Canada as a movement). Sure there are so-called social conservatives, but clearly the far more vocal liberals and feminists support the shut down of our hobby, and have made their intentions known:
"In French, Trudeau went further, saying it’s important to recognize that “prostitution itself is a form of violence against women.” He called for a “responsible, informed debate” on the issue. Trudeau also said Liberals are “certainly going to look at” the so-called Nordic model, which penalizes those who purchase sex, not those who sell it." from - http://www.citynews.ca/2014/01/17/trudeau-wary-of-proposal-to-legalize-prostitution/
Take a look at who most of the signatories of this open letter calling for the Nordic Model in Canada:
http://lawc.on.ca/open-letter-calls-for-nordic-approach-to-prostitution-in-canada/
If anything the conservative-libertarians among us (myself included) would clearly not support increasing state intervention in the lives of consenting adults, and what they choose to do in private.
I hope I am wrong but...
In a word gentlemen, when the political left and right, and (feminist) women's groups, are all aligned against the hobby, we are totally "screwed". The only chance is another future court decision, but if this last one produces the debacle I fear it might, I don't see much hope.
Maybe this has been thought of and/or discussed before...
Why can't a man meet his 'date', give her a gift as part of their greeting, she becomes so impressed she decides to take him home (or not even leave her place). They get it on and part ways. How would the Police tell the difference? A flower got guys laid a long time ago. Maybe now, it is an item worth $200-$300 dollars?
When the Police break in, she can introduce them to her boyfriend? Maybe the chick just likes to date a lot?
Why can't a man meet his 'date', give her a gift as part of their greeting, she becomes so impressed she decides to take him home (or not even leave her place). They get it on and part ways. How would the Police tell the difference? A flower got guys laid a long time ago. Maybe now, it is an item worth $200-$300 dollars?
When the Police break in, she can introduce them to her boyfriend? Maybe the chick just likes to date a lot?
I bet you one of the conservative will be busted under the new law. How is that for irony. How is that for disgrace.
Perhaps with this new law, their will be a decline in demand for SPs and thus will their rates drop. Will we see more escort agencies reduce their rates because business isn't booming as it was before. Wonder how much of the terb community will stop hobbying.
Your probably right and I see it as campaigning to get more women voters in the next election. Perhaps it's just a law put down on paper but are LE really going to enforce the law? Do nation wide sting operations? I doubt it. This new law is to scare us into quitting the hobby.
This a obviously bullshit from a government that does illegal robocalls during election time. Harper doctored the numbers in the poll.
Agreed, excellent post. Also the Conservatives are currently in a pissing match with the Supreme Court of Canada and are smarting over a few recent consecutive losses with them. The Conservatives can ill affordable to look weak now and I expect that the delay in releasing the law pertains to some last minute reality checks by the government. The new laws will take years to work through the courts, ultimately back to the SCC again, but next year is a federal election year and the only features of the new law which would help the Conservatives get re-elected would be in areas of human trafficking or underage prostitution. There rest of it as mentioned in your post will encroach on the definition of what sex or sex for sale really is, ultimately. Expect the new laws to blur the reasons why the past laws were struck down in the first place. Expect the sex trade to come up with new and innovative ways to play with the new laws to remain one step ahead of the game and regional municipalities using their local law enforcement to reflect local tolerances.
But here's what the reasoning misses:
a. Cops only need "reasonable doubt" to haul you in. Then your name gets published in the papers.
b. All these technicalities kick in at the court in front of a judge. By the time you're proved innocent, your life and finances are a mess.
Mackay didn't say he will outlaw the buying of sexual services. he say the bill is aim to protect vulnerable
Kidding aside from mentioning that I would quit my hobby too when the new bill becomes law. I can't tell the difference between what everyone talking about with the new pros. law and the current one. Under the current law, the police can lay charges to jones if it proven that some kind of negotiation for sex was taking place. If I remembered correctly the police already mentioned somewhere that they are NOT interested in going after 'jones' with 'tomorrow' law. Most times the police or law enforcement cannot prove if the transaction for sex taken place without restoring to 'entrappment' anyway. Furthermore, the last thing our judges would need is
new cases on jones to cloak up the already max out court system. Call me stupid but how do anyone prove that the life of sex workers are in jeopardy due to jones' buying sex? You get what I mean,right? Protecting sex workers by punishing jones will not work! I agreed with someone on here is that the Bill could be hang up for a little while longer because politicians,judges and the police are still far apart on what to do!
sorry,my name is Jones. No, just kidding. Thanks for pointing that out it should be 'johns'.
Haha... good one! First the ex wife gets her half, then the Cons take what's left!I wonder how many guys will use this after their divorce, "pleading guilty to paying for sex"
