My opinionated opinion of the garbage strike
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I should have known you were a writer/journalist. You know how to spell. The fact that you were once a union member was really easy to figure out.Mrbig1949 said:3% and status quo, if it was offered before the members hit the bricks we would all be talking about good looking women right now. Face it, this is the way it will end.
Soooooo easy.
The offer was made before you walked out does that mean it can't be taken back. I don't know for sure, but I think so. Let's see if it stays on the table.
Tomorrow is a very special day. It's day 22 and the strikers will begin to lose money. They won't make the 3% back; it's lost.
Union spokesman Pat Daly said that they didn't who crossed or the numbers. They know who and how many, but are too embarrassed and pissed off to say, guaranteed.
The status quo is not good enoughMrbig1949 said:3% and status quo, if it was offered before the members hit the bricks we would all be talking about good looking women right now. Face it, this is the way it will end.
Soooooo easy.
The banking of the sick days has to go
A 3% rollback in pay is appropreate, howver I do not think the unions will agree
Lets hope your prediction is incorrect & common sense prevails
Bad Faith bargaining
If you revise an offer backwards it is known as Bad Faith Bargaining and will get you sent to the Labour Board where if convicted you will be sanctioned, probably in a minor way at first but if you don't get with the program the sanctions increase and can in the end (rare) result in an imposed contract that you may not like. Both union and management can be charged.blackrock13 said:I should have known you were a writer/journalist. You know how to spell. The fact that you were once a union member was really easy to figure out.
The offer was made before you walked out does that mean it can't be taken back. I don't know for sure, but I think so. Let's see if it stays on the table.
Tomorrow is a very special day. It's day 22 and the strikers will begin to lose money. They won't make the 3% back; it's lost.
Is this still the case after union members are observed stalking, assaulting and generally harassing members of the public. I'd sure that could be called bad faith.Mrbig1949 said:If you revise an offer backwards it is known as Bad Faith Bargaining and will get you sent to the Labour Board where if convicted you will be sanctioned, probably in a minor way at first but if you don't get with the program the sanctions increase and can in the end (rare) result in an imposed contract that you may not like. Both union and management can be charged.
Crossed Picket line? ouch!
BTW it is non-union people who add up the days lost, check them against the wage gain and decide if the workers won or lost. Union members know that the next contract will be built on the last and their pension is based on best 5 years so this gain or lost money within the life of a contract is fairly meaningless.
Those who cross picket lines are looking for a life of misery. I have personally read out the names of scabs to union meetings, published them in union communications and in many sites nobody will speak to them for years.blackrock13 said:I should have known you were a writer/journalist. You know how to spell. The fact that you were once a union member was really easy to figure out.
The offer was made before you walked out does that mean it can't be taken back. I don't know for sure, but I think so. Let's see if it stays on the table.
Tomorrow is a very special day. It's day 22 and the strikers will begin to lose money. They won't make the 3% back; it's lost.
Union spokesman Pat Daly said that they didn't who crossed or the numbers. They know who and how many, but are too embarrassed and pissed off to say, guaranteed.
BTW it is non-union people who add up the days lost, check them against the wage gain and decide if the workers won or lost. Union members know that the next contract will be built on the last and their pension is based on best 5 years so this gain or lost money within the life of a contract is fairly meaningless.
Somebody needs to call the cops and prove it
Otherwise it is heresay.blackrock13 said:Is this still the case after union members are observed stalking, assaulting and generally harassing members of the public. I'd sure that could be called bad faith.
It doesn't matter who keeps tracks it's money out the window Tell the strikers who are losing their house or don't have next months rent, as stated earlier somewhere, that they'll get it back in the next agreement. One advantage that city workers have is that their employer probably won't go bust, or will it.Mrbig1949 said:Those who cross picket lines are looking for a life of misery. I have personally read out the names of scabs to union meetings, published them in union communications and in many sites nobody will speak to them for years.
BTW it is non-union people who add up the days lost, check them against the wage gain and decide if the workers won or lost. Union members know that the next contract will be built on the last and their pension is based on best 5 years so this gain or lost money within the life of a contract is fairly meaningless.
The next agreement, hmmmmmm, maybe it will happen and maybe it won't; no one really knows.
Police don't investigate on hearsay and the cops were called. That's for the crown/courts to decide.Mrbig1949 said:Otherwise it is heresay.
Lot of Drama to house losing, little reality.
Two strikes over quickly one a bit longer, went to see banker about mortgage payment as a precaution, "no problem we'll just skip a couple of months and add them to the end of the mortgage." Of course this costs interest money but it is a long way from losing a house.
I think I was on strike myself 3 times but of course with negotiations participated in many others, walked many a picket line.blackrock13 said:It doesn't matter who keeps tracks it's money out the window Tell the strikers who are losing their house or don't have next months rent, as stated earlier somewhere, that they'll get it back in the next agreement. One advantage that city workers have is that their employer probably won't go bust, or will it.
The next agreement, hmmmmmm, maybe it will happen and maybe it won't; no one really knows.
Two strikes over quickly one a bit longer, went to see banker about mortgage payment as a precaution, "no problem we'll just skip a couple of months and add them to the end of the mortgage." Of course this costs interest money but it is a long way from losing a house.
That tales just shows that your credit rating was good. Right now, a lot of people don't share your status. I'm just passing on what others said.Mrbig1949 said:I think I was on strike myself 3 times but of course with negotiations participated in many others, walked many a picket line.
Two strikes over quickly one a bit longer, went to see banker about mortgage payment as a precaution, "no problem we'll just skip a couple of months and add them to the end of the mortgage." Of course this costs interest money but it is a long way from losing a house.
Knowing what we have been told by you, I'll guess you were involved in newspaper strikes (just a guess) and they're really not known for impacting the daily life of a city, so probably ran their course and everyone went back to work. Maybe even some people said, 'who was on strike?' The price of the paper went up a nickel or the newspaper closed. I don't by many newspapers these days. They're too expensive for what they offer. I get access to many for free. Can't beat that price can we. I know I'm a mooch. You got me.
so you were not nearly as destitute as claimed during the strike .Mrbig1949 said:I think I was on strike myself 3 times but of course with negotiations participated in many others, walked many a picket line.
Two strikes over quickly one a bit longer, went to see banker about mortgage payment as a precaution, "no problem we'll just skip a couple of months and add them to the end of the mortgage." Of course this costs interest money but it is a long way from losing a house.
In fact you could afford several months of lost wages
Does not sound like you were working for minimum wages, yet you still played the strike card.
It was all about greed
You just proved in your own words your not above participating in union intimidation tactics of the worst kind, pure and simple. When these people made this choice to cross they were well aware of the hell they were heading fore. We talked about choices of whether to join unions or not that people have choices. I'll beat similar tactics are applied then, perhaps more subtly but applied or inferred just the same. I won't call you a goon, but some people might think you're not far from it.Mrbig1949 said:Those who cross picket lines are looking for a life of misery. I have personally read out the names of scabs to union meetings, published them in union communications and in many sites nobody will speak to them for years.
In the next election I will be asking both councillors and mayoral candidates who s willing to commit to breaking the city unions. I will cast my vote that way, and I will actually go out and campaign for anyone who is willing to do that.
Miller is a union man, and the fact that even he thinks the union is outrageous should tell you something. However beng a union man he plainly lacks the balls to do what is necessary here, he should never have released a compromise offer.
We need someone in office who is willing kick these guys out on the street and replace them with contract workers. Most of them shouldn't be on city payroll in the first place.
Miller is a union man, and the fact that even he thinks the union is outrageous should tell you something. However beng a union man he plainly lacks the balls to do what is necessary here, he should never have released a compromise offer.
We need someone in office who is willing kick these guys out on the street and replace them with contract workers. Most of them shouldn't be on city payroll in the first place.
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Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz sophmore rhetoric.fuji said:In the next election I will be asking both councillors and mayoral candidates who s willing to commit to breaking the city unions. I will cast my vote that way, and I will actually go out and campaign for anyone who is willing to do that.
Miller is a union man, and the fact that even he thinks the union is outrageous should tell you something. However beng a union man he plainly lacks the balls to do what is necessary here, he should never have released a compromise offer.
We need someone in office who is willing kick these guys out on the street and replace them with contract workers. Most of them shouldn't be on city payroll in the first place.
We'll see, but from the public comments everywhere it's pretty clear that a huge majority of voters think that Miller is being too soft on the union. I think the mood is right in this city to put an end to these lazy fucks' shenanigans. Only problem is that Miller isn't the guy to do it because he takes money from the unions.Mrbig1949 said:Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz sophmore rhetoric.
I think that what they really need is party politics at the municipal level. As things stand now, with the partial exception of the race for mayor, the media has little incentive to cover platforms in municipal elections. Hell, can you imagine a newscast trying to cover platforms of what must be well over 100 candidates for all the different ridings. Thus, the people most likely to vote are the crackpots at the extremes (I realize that you said you will cast an informed vote, but I think you will be in a minority). If there were unified party platforms, the media could just cover the platforms of a handful of parties. The general public would get to know the platforms and be more likely to vote. As things stand now, we might get rid of the mayor but we are still left with all the councillors elected by the loony left.fuji said:In the next election I will be asking both councillors and mayoral candidates who s willing to commit to breaking the city unions. I will cast my vote that way, and I will actually go out and campaign for anyone who is willing to do that.
Miller is a union man, and the fact that even he thinks the union is outrageous should tell you something. However beng a union man he plainly lacks the balls to do what is necessary here, he should never have released a compromise offer.
We need someone in office who is willing kick these guys out on the street and replace them with contract workers. Most of them shouldn't be on city payroll in the first place.
The more MB posts the better. Given his ridiculous statements, undecided posters are going to assume that there are no intelligent arguments to support his position and take the side of informed people. He and OJ must be two of the most effective posters on this board when it comes to turning people off the union side.fuji said:We'll see, but from the public comments everywhere it's pretty clear that a huge majority of voters think that Miller is being too soft on the union. I think the mood is right in this city to put an end to these lazy fucks' shenanigans. Only problem is that Miller isn't the guy to do it because he takes money from the unions.Mrbig1949 said:Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz sophmore rhetoric.
Bang on but they don't see it that way. Remember they brought you weekends.someone said:The more MB posts the better. Given his ridiculous statements, undecided posters are going to assume that there are no intelligent arguments to support his position and take the side of informed people. He and OJ must be two of the most effective posters on this board when it comes to turning people off the union side.
Don't forget BW. He's a well heeled contributer to these threads.
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Rockslinger stop making stuff up! It was capitalist greed that caused thisRockslinger said:The cause of this problem are the American SOCIALISTS who felt that every single American is entitled to home ownership and FORCED U.S. financial institutions to lend money in the form of sub-prime mortgages to non-credit worthy borrowers to buy overpriced houses.
It was that great commie, RR , who first said all Amerikkkains should own a home This policy was continued by both Bushes and Clinton
Banks and government institutions such as Fannie Mae lent to people with poor credit - the sub prime market - because of greed
This started a speculation bubble in housing - greed
These mortgages were bundled under the theory only a few could fail in each bundle - greed
( a university of Guelph math student created the greed formula that stated these bundles were safe making them a class 'A" investment risk)
Banks started lending to anyone with a heartbeat knowing they could bundle the mortgages then sell at a profit and get rid of the risk - greed
At the same time the chairman of the Fed - Alan Greenspan - created new world capitalism of deregulation feeling that unbridled greed would make the world a better place
When it collapsed Greenspan admitted he was wrong about greed and never saw it coming as economics is 60% correct at best. This means Obamas' plan has a 40% chance of failure
I agree with you that capitalism is the best "ism" we have come up with but
it has many failings the worse being greed and the rich getting richer simply because they are rich and greedy and that unions - despite their failings - are a small evil necessary to defend the workers against the greater evil of unbridled capitalist greed
Can the Nobel committee ask Mr.Greenspan to give back the medal and the money for being so WRONG!!!
YF, you're comments are almost
bang on.
YF, you're comments are almost
bang on.
