Mr. Trudeau Going Full Adolph

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The amazing thing to me isn't that the government didn't do their research, but that the dude in question didn't pull someone aside and say, hey broski, this is probably a bad idea.
Not only for the government but for him. What better way to carve a swastica on your forehead than to put yourself in the public eye in a world of fact checking.
Agree.
But it's difficult for his staff to get ahead of his addiction for attention. This guy has to be in front of a camera every day spouting off about what he describes as a world shaking moment.
He clearly has something seriously wrong with himself mentally.
He's getting to the point where he is dangerous to Canada. (I know alot of people would argue that he's been dangerous since day 1)
Nobody knows what he's going to cook up at any time but we do know that it's not going to taste good!
 

mandrill

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Well not every nazi was a war criminal either then. Didn't stop us from executing them
We didn't execute every Nazi. There were literally 100's of thousands of low level Nazi party members or Waffen SS soldiers who weren't prosecuted or punished. Every village postmaster or mayor would have been a nazi party member.

You don't know much about the subject. Go read up.
 

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This isn't the first time JT and the dimwits that advise him have gaffed:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/jaspal-atwal-invite-dinner-sophie-1.4545881

...but like everything he somehow gets a pass and/or blames someone else..."we can all do better" after all.
Given that the event was momentous and meant to showcase Zelensky, the gaffe was pretty small.

In a couple of days, The Sun will stop writing about it and the only persons who will even remember it are the "Fuck Trudeau!" bros who will chuckle and snicker about it endlessly when they protest vaccinations, immigrants, the carbon tax or whatever they're whining about from time to time.
 

mandrill

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The Simon Wiesenthal Center disagrees with you and something tells me they know a little more about this situation than you do.....
Actually, they don't.

The division was investigated and cleared as a unit by Canada decades ago. READ THE WIKI ARTICLE. Stop snickering and giggling about it and making jokes and actually go read it. You will learn stuff.
 

mandrill

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We executed loads of nazi's who were low level soldiers not commanders or in charge of camps. But at least this guy was a good Nazi I guess
Sure. But they were accused of specific crimes.

Virtually every petty official in Germany was a member of the Nazi Party in 1945. These people weren't criminals and were never charged.
 

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I'm more interested in finding out who pushed his name to the speaker.
Cuz if you're a Russian troll this was big points in the 'deNazify Ukraine' campaign.
I blame Justin Beiber. OTOH, I blame Justin Beiber for everything bad. I stub my toe, Justin Beiber, I have a turkey sandwich and the meat is a little dry, damn you Justin Beiber, damn you to hell.
 

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I think you have to be my age and a WW2 buff who dated a Ukrainian woman decades ago and knew the background of many of those old guys to get the red flag right away.

The aide who vetted the list probably assumed that he was Ukrainian-Canadian and fought with the CAF or some kind of ex pat resistance guy who fought with the Brits.
Again though, my point is why HE didn't say anything. I mean fuck, if anyone would know anything about potential red flags regarding a unit, it would be a dude who actually served in it. Even if he thinks he did nothing wrong, he must be aware of the optics. As they say, Hitler: Why we can't have nice things. Just ask the Finnish Air Force.

I guess I am your age, and I am a WW2 geek, so I knew of the unit. Not all the details, but enough to go all Woo Young Woo with the whoa whoa.
Cleared or not, the optics are not good.
 

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Before inviting old WW2 guys a background check needs to be done!. What a lay up to Russian Propaganda that has been claiming to "Denazify Ukraine". 🤦‍♂️

If these guys couldn't even do THIS background check, wonder, what they are claiming to know about India's involvement in Nijjar's killing! Most likely nothing but hot air.

Like I said, the pattern here is to jump on the gun / news while it still hot....fuck all what outcome it will have later... JT getting 2nd hand info and accused India responsible for the murder of a known enemy of India....why is this a surprise really?
 
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- rightie world featured Rep Paul Gosar calling on US General Miley to be "hung" for facilitating homosexuality in the US armed forces.
Sounds pretty gay positive to me. I mean if I am going to do the gay, I'll take a guy who is hung. Not moose cock hung, but if I am going to go there, I'll do it right.
No homo.
Also no idea if moose are hung.
 

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Well not every nazi was a war criminal either then. Didn't stop us from executing them
Ignoring the whole opps we shot those guys, I think they were trying to surrender thing, did we really execute Nazis regardless of record.
Hess died in prison in 1987
Speer in 2017
Von Krosigk who was minister of finance and defacto chancellor for a month at the end, died in 1977
Schacht in 1970

I am sure if anyone gave a shit they could find Nazis who were not executed, and probably many who were never tried or convicted of war crimes either.

Inglorious Bastards was a wonderful movie, nice revenge fantasy, clever elements etc... but it always bothered me when they assumed every German was a Nazi, on a semi related note
 
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Ignoring the whole opps we shot those guys, I think they were trying to surrender thing, did we really execute Nazis regardless of record.
Hess died in prison in 1987
Speer in 2017
Von Krosigk who was minister of finance and defacto chancellor for a month at the end, died in 1977
Schacht in 1970

I am sure if anyone gave a shit they could find Nazis who were not executed, and probably many who were never tried or convicted of war crimes either.

Inglorious Bastards was a wonderful movie, nice revenge fantasy, clever elements etc... but it always bothered me when they assumed every German was a Nazi, on a semi related note
Speaking of which...my father who was a WW2 Veteran under McArthur fighting Japan once told me the book "The Odessa File" had some truth to it....not all German soldiers were bad...some Wermacht Soldiers were executed by the SS if suspected of planning a coup d'etat...even when there's was no evidence...paranoid pieces of shits....My uncle who was an engineer during WW2 helped blowing up bridges to impede Japanese supplies... those stories i've heard from my elders I have treasured always...god bless the guys who fought for freedom...
 

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How about the men who had no choice but to fight for the wrong side, like my father.

I don't get it, Justin goes full Adolph Menjou?

 

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''B’nai Brith Canada’s CEO, Michael Mostyn, said it was outrageous that Parliament honored a former member of a Nazi unit, saying Ukrainian “ultra-nationalist ideologues” who volunteered for the Galicia Division “dreamed of an ethnically homogenous Ukrainian state and endorsed the idea of ethnic cleansing.”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/canad...give-inadvertent-ovation-to-nazi-war-veteran/
So if B'nai Brith knew this old Ukrainian Nazi guy was hanging around in Canada, why didn't they do anything about it?
How come they didn't make his name public or try to get him charged with war crimes?
 
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Again though, my point is why HE didn't say anything. I mean fuck, if anyone would know anything about potential red flags regarding a unit, it would be a dude who actually served in it. Even if he thinks he did nothing wrong, he must be aware of the optics. As they say, Hitler: Why we can't have nice things. Just ask the Finnish Air Force.
Cos he's 100 years old and has no idea how he might be perceived outside his own ethnic community?
I guess I am your age, and I am a WW2 geek, so I knew of the unit. Not all the details, but enough to go all Woo Young Woo with the whoa whoa.
Cleared or not, the optics are not good.
Yuh. There have been ongoing issues about the unit and how it is / should be perceived in Canada since the 1950's.

Folks younger than us are maybe not as aware and make mistakes.

It's getting to the point that I'm the only guy around old enough to actually have gotten drunk with Abe Lincoln and Ulysses Grant and to note their odd body odour and dirty fingernails. Kids these days have no idea!
 
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mandrill

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Ignoring the whole opps we shot those guys, I think they were trying to surrender thing, did we really execute Nazis regardless of record.
Hess died in prison in 1987
Speer in 2017
Von Krosigk who was minister of finance and defacto chancellor for a month at the end, died in 1977
Schacht in 1970
Yes, but those were pretty high level guys. If you can't find a reason to hang them, you kind of at least have to keep them locked up.
I am sure if anyone gave a shit they could find Nazis who were not executed, and probably many who were never tried or convicted of war crimes either.

Inglorious Bastards was a wonderful movie, nice revenge fantasy, clever elements etc... but it always bothered me when they assumed every German was a Nazi, on a semi related note
Oh look. I found another wiki article by googling for 15 seconds and we can read what it says....


All civilian organisations, including agricultural groups, volunteer organisations, and sports clubs, had their leadership replaced with Nazi sympathisers or party members; these civic organisations either merged with the Nazi Party or faced dissolution.[38] The Nazi government declared a "Day of National Labor" for May Day 1933, and invited many trade union delegates to Berlin for celebrations. The day after, SA stormtroopers demolished union offices around the country; all trade unions were forced to dissolve and their leaders were arrested.[39] The Law for the Restoration of the Professional Civil Service, passed in April, removed from their jobs all teachers, professors, judges, magistrates, and government officials who were Jewish or whose commitment to the party was suspect.[40] This meant the only non-political institutions not under control of the Nazis were the churches.[41]

Germany was entirely Nazified by 1945. There were MILLIONS of Nazis. Every fucking schoolteacher was a member of the Nazi party. Probably every lawyer. Every university prof.

No one went around rounding up schoolteachers and hanging them in 1945. They were mainly just ordinary shmos who signed on so they could keep their jobs, make a living and stay out of a one way trip to Auschwitz.
 
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mandrill

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Here you go, meinen Kameraden!!..... More shit about Nazi Germany.

Overview
A 1948 denazification clearance certificate from Wattenscheid in the British Zone
About 8 million Germans, or 10% of the population, had been members of the Nazi Party. Nazi-related organizations also had huge memberships, such as the German Labor Front (25 million), the National Socialist People's Welfare organization (17 million), the League of German Women, and others.[8] It was through the Party and these organizations that the Nazi state was run, involving as many as 45 million Germans in total.[9] In addition, Nazism found significant support among industrialists, who produced weapons or used slave labor, and large landowners, especially the Junkers in Prussia. Denazification after the surrender of Germany was thus an enormous undertaking, fraught with many difficulties.

The first difficulty was the enormous number of Germans who might have to be first investigated, then penalized if found to have supported the Nazi state to an unacceptable degree. In the early months of denazification there was a great desire to be utterly thorough, to investigate every suspect and hold every supporter of Nazism accountable; however, it was decided that the numbers simply made this goal impractical. The Morgenthau Plan had recommended that the Allies create a post-war Germany with all its industrial capacity destroyed, reduced to a level of subsistence farming; however, that plan was soon abandoned as unrealistic and, because of its excessive punitive measures, liable to give rise to German anger and aggression.[10] As time went on, another consideration that moderated the denazification effort in the West was the concern to keep enough good will of the German population to prevent the growth of communism.[11]

The denazification process was often completely disregarded by both the Soviets and the Western powers for German rocket scientists and other technical experts, who were taken out of Germany to work on projects in the victors' own countries or simply seized in order to prevent the other side from taking them. The US took 785 scientists and engineers from Germany to the United States, some of whom formed the backbone of the US space program (see Operation Paperclip).[12]

In the case of the top-ranking Nazis, such as Göring, Hess, von Ribbentrop, Streicher, and Speer, the initial proposal by the British was to simply arrest them and shoot them,[13] but that course of action was replaced by putting them on trial for war crimes at the Nuremberg Trials in order to publicize their crimes while demonstrating that the trials and the sentences were just, especially to the German people. However, the legal foundations of the trials were questioned, and many Germans were not convinced that the trials were anything more than "victors' justice".[14]
 

mandrill

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No their crime was being Nazi's. Just like this guy's crime was being in SS. We executed tons of Nazi's who just followed orders to fight
No, we didn't.

You know dick all about this. You want me to keep posting wiki articles to prove you wrong?? How much of my time are you going to waste?
 
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