More Vaccine Side Effects
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I never said a health regime would stop you from getting covid. I said it has shown to be the only way to combat the virus whether you’re vaccinated or not. A marathon runner isn’t really my example of a healthy plan as that’s quite an extreme example. Most people can’t walk 2km a day let alone run a marathon. Further, cardiovascular issues have been found in people that overwork the heart as well, hardening of the arterial walls. The first thing I would have done is asked Trudeau to close all airports in Canada, nobody in nobody out! Made antigen testing mandatory so we could figure out who needed the vaccine and who did not (when they became available). Anyone with 3+ comorbidities would be first in line. The rest would be educated on boasting their immune system and dealing with this virus just like the other viruses you and me have come across throughout our lives and survived, lol.
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Haha tool
I have hosted and attended BBQs already this year
Vaccine free
No super spreader event yet
(Although I know one of my neighbours was a tad shocked at how many people we had over; we confronted them afterwards just to ask and they said they were shocked but ok and if it really bothered them they could have left early)
Ever stop and think they were all vaccinated? And thats why?
See I have a few friends who are immune compromised due to cancer treatments. I care about them. So I'm waiting.
You don't.
Sure you have! As if you actually have friends as opposed to people who laugh at you not with you.
Then what happened to William Fehr. He was in excellent shape and the virus hospitalized him and to this day he still has lung issues. He was one of your compadres in denying COVID and the vaccines, what happened??
I see, so now you're claiming tip-top athletes are more in danger of dealing with Covid than folks who eat right, do a little cardio and throw a couple of plates around? So we can add top athletes to your 3+ comorbidities list?
Yup, steroids tend to do that. You better talk to your leader Chris Sky and warn him about the usage of steroids. The vaccines has much fewer side effects, just sayin.
Although easier said than done, I will not disagree with you on no nonessential travel whatsoever. I would have liked to see antibody tests more freely offered although I still believe everyone should be vaccinated regardless and anyone who does not is a selfish POS. (compromised folks with medical clearance aside)
First in line for what? Do you really believe the dude who wants to eat 2 big macs a day wants to hear your shpeal about eating right? Why not just jab the dude and if he refuses pull his OHIP card?
It has to be complete and comprehensive, like they did in Vietnam, though.
It's also useless once the virus is well established and circulating in the community, which means by March 2020 it was probably too late.
In hindsight, this would have been the right call in maybe January or February.
Maybe.
I'm assuming you mean antibody testing here.
Doing this in March 2020 makes little sense, but there is logic to it when you're planning your vaccine roll out.
The problem is that even with 99% sensitivity you would likely end up with significant numbers of false positives but if they are decently sensitive and cheap it would make sense.
This sounds like a variation of Test, Trace, Isolate, which I still think would have been effective if implemented early enough in the pandemic.
Are you joking?
A) I can promise you myself and my family members do not have any vaccines (and its hilarious you would even imply that)
B) Younger people were not even eligible for vaccination until recently so we know majority of the pro-vax crowd would not even have yet
C) kids are all still unvaccinated even to this day as few parents are willing to jab them
D) If people were vaccinated I doubt they would care about gatherings at all
Oh hey
And I know for a fact one of the attendees has a blood issue that requires constant visits to hospital and another had a tumor so
Unfortunately, you’re too extreme to understand the correlation of one extreme to another. Obviously all kinds of people were exposed to covid, some were healthy some were not (retirement housing being the biggest culprit). How many people were exposed to covid with no symptoms? The average person who was exposed to covid survived and wasn’t hospitalized or needed emergency care. Nobody has denied covid, for the 1000th time, lol.
Again your extremism doesn’t allow you to comprehend the median of a bell curve. Any person (athlete, non-athlete) who overworks the body or even travels too much can effect their natural defences (immune system), look it up!
Maybe, but as do many other factors. It’s never just one factor that is the solution or answer to anything. Which is my point from the beginning! Yes, vaccine may be helpful but not the only reason we will be able to combat this dilemma.
Again! Your my way or the highway approach to everything, lol…
Obviously not! That is why I have stated quite a few times, lol. I can understand the governments approach to having people lift their sleeve vs having them work on their health. My question and point and final response to this matter (from the beginning) has been that a vaccine is not the one and only answer. Obviously all you want to do is reiterate that you are right and I (or anyone else who thinks different) is wrong. A little Perspective is always healthy !! All the best to you
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I see you can't even stick to your own final response claims, interesting indeed.
I'm extreme eh? Let's see,
me- wear mask in public indoor places, do not wear a mask outdoors, respectful of people's personal space and keep 6 ft away if not masked, had both my shots and as of this coming week I'm a free man but will still be respectful of mask policies as to not infringe on other's comfort.
you- no vaccine because you feel your immunity can fight off anything because you eat right, take vitamin D and do a few fitness routines. You walk around judging people who are over weight and shake your finger at them telling them why they will get sick, if not telling them you are thinking about it as you walk past with a look of disgust. Although in reality, I would wager you believe much more highly of yourself than what is really looking back at you in the mirror.
Yet, I'm the extreme one, okay brah.
A)Well insanity does tend to run......
B)You never set the age range.
C)My social circle(who are smart, well educated people) do want it for them. And all kids 12 and older are getting it as soon as possible.
D) You are correct. Once we all get 2 shot two week we will get together again.
And that you are so selfish you would possibly expose a loved one who is immune compromised in a pandemic and laud this says it all. You are genuinely a bad person.
Hopefully once we reopen and vaccine restrictions come into effect you will be exposed and prevented from being a further danger.
Thnx for reiterating my point!
I also wear a mask, stay 6ft away, take all the measures, etc. Only thing we disagree on is about having a vaccine and thinking it’s the only solution. Again, your extremism (right/wrong) clouds your judgment of others. I’m not judging anyone just stating the facts! the CDC stated that 80% of covid deaths have 3-4 comorbidities. Isn’t that a wake up call to the health of our nation? Not sure why the health talk bothers you so much, lol. Seems like another perspective (unlike you own) hurts your idealism quite too much?! We’ve all seen this before, lol.
Unfortunately, many did not survive, even with no previous health condition. And some have permanent lung condition or kidney failure or blood clots affecting the rest of their lives.
There are viruses that our body can deal with, but there are some you don't ever want to get infected with like Polio, Small Pox etc.
A teenager was in a wheelchair for a month after having a reaction to the Covid jab.
Courtney Keating, 19, says her veins and blood cells burst and she was forced to use a wheelchair for a month after the extreme reaction.
The teen from London, claims she was in hospital for four weeks and left unable to walk after her nerves and joints were affected.
She posted on Facebook about her experience, saying medics told her if she hadn't come into hospital when she did it may have been fatal.
Courtney says the vaccination caused bleeding under her skin, as she shared photos of her legs covered in purple marks on Tuesday.
Teenager's 'veins burst leaving her in wheelchair' after rare reaction to Covid vaccine - Daily Star
Courtney Keating, 19, says her veins and blood cells burst and she was forced to use a wheelchair for a month after the extreme reaction.
The teen from London, claims she was in hospital for four weeks and left unable to walk after her nerves and joints were affected.
She posted on Facebook about her experience, saying medics told her if she hadn't come into hospital when she did it may have been fatal.
Courtney says the vaccination caused bleeding under her skin, as she shared photos of her legs covered in purple marks on Tuesday.
Teenager's 'veins burst leaving her in wheelchair' after rare reaction to Covid vaccine - Daily Star
That’s fair, I’ve always said it’s important to do what makes you feel safe! But your info is incorrect! CDC and the WHO stated 80% of covid deaths have had 3-4 comorbidities. Meaning 20% may not have had any health conditions or less than 3 comorbidities. In Canada, (38 million of us) had 28k deaths to date, of those (in respect to the science) 20% (5.6K) had less than 3 comorbidities or had no previous health conditions. Can you imagine we lose 13-15K people a year (in Canada) due to car accidents? Do you see the government mandating laws against the big corporate car manufacturers?!
As for permanent conditions such as heart and lung conditions, kidney disease, etc. I posted earlier about the 20 + million we lose a year to heart/lung disease (globally). Somehow they’re also the main subfactors related to covid? Could there be a correlation there? I think so, but maybe not, but it’s something of dire interest to say the least! My point is each of us will be affected differently, but to suggest the masses were or have been affected with all these conditions you speak of is not true!
I know people of all walks of life (some healthy, most unhealthy) who died of covid, had no symptoms, had minor symptoms, and also had or have lingering symptoms. It’s the whole spectrum I’m talking about, let’s not get caught up on one narrative which only benefits one point of view. That’s all I’ve been trying to say from the beginning and will keep reiterating!
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Not sure where you got this info, but if you look at the actual data: Provisional Death Counts for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)
A lot of the "comorbidities" listed was "respiratory failure", "respiratory arrest", "cardiac arrest", "adult respiratory arrest syndrome", "sepsis" which were definitely something which happened after they got covid. Some portions of other conditions like "renal failure", "cerebrovascular disease" etc could also be a result of covid infection too.
Those typical pre-existing comorbidities like diabetes, hypertension, obesity add up to not the many cases, way less than 80%.
Absolutely. If those accidents were preventable, like a faulty brakes or faulty tires, the car manufacturers definitely have to fix it.
I really wish you could have taken a tour of the hospitals and ICUs during the peak of the 3rd wave, and talked to the doctors and nurses working there.
All of them would tell you Covid is not like any other virus, and they have never seen anything like it; with younger patients getting much sicker in the 3rd wave than previous ones.
There has never been a situation where Manitoba has to send ICU patients to Ontario, and there has never been a crisis that we were just a few patients away from enacting the triage protocol.
Think of the sacrifices the health care workers have to make every day, before proposing letting the virus run wild (even for the younger age group).
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Of course they would. How do you think we got seatbelt laws and drivers licenses and laws about how cars have to be constructed for safety? (Airbags, crumple zones, etc.)
And, of course, speed limits.
Mandating restrictions is exactly what we did.
Exactly! By debate, by understanding and comprehending the results and the science. Looking at the issues and finding solutions from both ends of the spectrum. Through many different perspectives. At no moment have they ever stopped any one from using their cars or being allowed out on the road, because a small amount of people have died in comparison to a whole population.
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