I respect your point of view (it’s very noble, and genuine) as I ask you respect mine. Not sure where I stated that I didn’t get vaccinated?! I was just stating a perspective, which I find people don’t want to hear nowadays, unless it matches to their belief system. I can say the same thing to you, no? The vaccine isn’t protecting us or STOPPING transmission from the “mutations” or “new variants”, so aren’t you also living in your own little reality, that makes you happy?! Or think your safe?We need to comprehend and understand we may think our way is right and someone else is wrong but that doesn’t mean it is…
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Um. No I won't "respect" your opinion. I respect facts. Science.
Quite simply if you don't vaccinate you are a selfish person, uneducated, and myopic. Vaccines are about increasing herd immunity to save lives. Its that simple. Full stop. No other "opinion" is valid.
And once we hit 80% we can open it up, and start to close down the anti vaxxers. I encourage employers to demand proof for work. Schools poof for attendance. Hospitals proof to prevent an outbreak in immune compromised.
And I will be losing a few friends over this. Anti vaxxers are dangerous.
Seems like your friends are the lucky ones, lol.
Not too long ago old white Catholic men (probably like yourself) also believed their way was the only way and the right way, no questioned asked. Today, we are finding out about those repercussions. “Dangerous” is thinking your way is the right way and the only way…
You do not have to respect my point of view but you should have respect for the people around you.
Yes, I'm assuming you are anti-vax based on
Anti-vaxxers always spout off about the body's natural immunity which is a bunch of hogwash, nonsense, and bullshit when used to downplay vaccines. Yes, of course, I strive for optimal immunity and health but nonetheless, it only goes so far. Same as eating right, working out does not stop the aging process, slow it down a tad but that's the best one can do. Eventually, we get old, shrivel up and die.
If you are vaccinated then good for you but then you should be saying, being vaccinated combined with a good immune system, I'm a beast but you're not. You're trying to discourage vaccination and if I'm correct, then you fall under the selfish me me me category.
Vaccines are not 100% effective. Pfizer is something like 94%, so the odds of getting sick remain low. But people can still get it, though they sympoms may not be as severe.
Another concern for a workplace could be liability. Just because someone is vaccinated doesn't mean they can't carry it and pass it on to someone who isn't vaccinated. I can see someone who was unvaccinated and told to return to the office sue if they got sick or something like that...
The hundreds of other friends and acquaintances who have gotten their shots, are looking forward to the BBQs on my patio again in a few weeks. I plan to run several "2 shot" gatherings.
And believe me I'm as far from Catholic as it gets. Please don't equate the torture of children with keeping people safe. Trying to draw that kind of connection only proves to the audience what a selfish, myopic and narcissistic fool you are.
You are not a victim or a martyr.
I’m not an anti-anything. I just asked a question which you answered with “mutations”. I wanted to further understand your point of view. Which isn’t any different than what I hear from anti-vaxxers. You believe your right, just as they do. Both sides throw out a lot of claims of “the science ” but both use the science to their advantage. The vaccine isn’t protecting us from Mutations or variants that’s a fact. The vaccine has helped control the original virus. Your claims of the hog shit that is our immune system is unfortunately misinformed and misaligned with the Science you speak of. As with most people who can’t stick to understanding perspectives, or another way, the next step is insulting the other by telling them they’re selfish, uneducated, clueless, etc. At the end of the day, I guess this just proves to me, your like most people who can’t fathom the fact the one stroke of the paint brush isn’t for everyone. Bigger world out there than just black or white.
Except they are proven to work against the variants. Hence the steady drop in cases as percentages rise. Despite the MORE contagious Delta Variant.
As I said. Misinformed to put it mildly.
It is black and white. Vaccines work.
I see, you're going to run on a tangent. Let's try it this way.
1) where have the mutations originated? Hmmmmm , among vaccinated or unvaccinated populations?
Now, pay attention to what the experts believe and I will high light for you so you can understand it. Then again, perhaps you prefer to get your intel from Dr. Shivago or Nurse Emma or maybe Dr. Suess.
COVID-19 Variants: What’s New and Why We’re Still Concerned
New COVID-19 variants and subvariants continue to be more contagious, but healthcare providers are learning more and fighting back. Here’s why and how COVID-19 continues to evolve.
However, the contagiousness of the newer variants is all the more reason to stay careful even as most states roll back social distancing guidelines. Only half of U.S. adults are fully vaccinated but, in many states, that number remains below 50%.
“These new waves of infections show that the pandemic is not close to being over yet,” Dr. Rhoads says. “At this time, vaccination has proven to be our most effective tool, and vaccines are readily available for many children and adults in the U.S. Vaccinations are our best defense against these emerging mutations.”
The connection is to the concept of a “thought”being the right or only way. “Everyone else is wrong, we are the superior beings of the herd”. Unfortunately, It seems that way of thinking hasn’t changed! Unfortunately, that superiority complex is what gets us into bigger issues later down the line. Keep the insults coming because I’m the selfish, myopic, and narcissist one, lol.
Alright TML, educate us. Tell us, if you were Premier and had the Prime Ministers complete co-operation, share with us your strategy to deal with COVID as of March 2020? Please, enlighten us.
Science is only about truth, not opinion. Its not about superiority of opinion but facts.
Its ok. We will get to herd immunity. I will cut a few idiots out of my life who are a danger. And Darwin will come into play to show the hesitant you and your ilk are wrong.
I see, you're going to run on a tangent. Let's try it this way.
1) where have the mutations originated? Hmmmmm , among vaccinated or unvaccinated populations?
Now, pay attention to what the experts believe and I will high light for you so you can understand it. Then again, perhaps you prefer to get your intel from Dr. Shivago or Nurse Emma or maybe Dr. Suess.
COVID-19 Variants: What’s New and Why We’re Still Concerned
New COVID-19 variants and subvariants continue to be more contagious, but healthcare providers are learning more and fighting back. Here’s why and how COVID-19 continues to evolve.health.clevelandclinic.org
However, the contagiousness of the newer variants is all the more reason to stay careful even as most states roll back social distancing guidelines. Only half of U.S. adults are fully vaccinated but, in many states, that number remains below 50%.
“These new waves of infections show that the pandemic is not close to being over yet,” Dr. Rhoads says. “At this time, vaccination has proven to be our most effective tool, and vaccines are readily available for many children and adults in the U.S. Vaccinations are our best defense against these emerging mutations.”
Same Science that told us at one point there was nothing wrong with smoking ? Same Science that told us mask were and are ineffective? Come on we can play this game all day. Whatever makes you feel safe, do it. Just don’t tell me your way is the right and only way. I believe In Science but I’m also aware that many things can be manipulated and there is always a production value to control a train of thought. Right or wrong isn’t the point!
Invest in Health! Health! And more health! We lose 20+ million (worldwide) a year due to heart or lung disease (is there a vaccine for that)? Are we closing the fast food giants, cigarette companies down? 26K deaths due to covid this year in Canada. Of which 80% of those had 3-4 comorbidities. The “science” shows healthy individuals can combat just about anything, or else humanity wouldn’t have made it this far. So get your asses off your desk, computers and phones and start getting healthy. Also, get corporate money out of our health care, media, and our food industry or else we’re all doomed no matter what! Lol…
Science evolves. Vaccines are not new Tech. They have literally saved 100s of millions of lives and singlehandedly dropped the child mortality rate from 20% to what it is today.
The newer mNRA tech is a game changer. They are in trials for a CANCER vaccine now. The reason it came out so quick was because of research due to SARS and MERS.
Now you are exposing yourself as down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole. Glad you did that. Now we can effectively deal with your misinformation.
You don't believe in science, you aren't even qualified to judge the merits of it.
Wait are we talking about the vaccines we took as children, once, and that was it, or this new “game changer”, that is called a vaccine, but we will have to keep getting shots for as the new mutations/variants are of “concern”. Did you get a vaccine during SARS? Cause it was way more deadly than covid. Please give me more of your science expertise!
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Both. This is a once in a hundred year event. Look it up. This time we have the tech to end it early, with far less deaths and permanent damage. The flu today is a mutated version of the Spanish Flu of 100 years ago. Same with Cholera of around 1820. And continuing further back. Mother Nature occasionally tries to kill us.
I plan to have to take a booster in November depending on the studies of antibodies that are ongoing. And to help boost against Variants. And to do so every year until it either downgrades to nothing, or mutates to a bad cold. And even then have it join the annual Flu shot.
Thats the point. Five minutes at the Pharmacy and done. A day of feeling a bit shit. This is the price for living in urban centres with large populations. Of common international travel.
Im already(Delta depending) planning a Vegas Trip. And other travel. With the knowledge I'm one hell of alot safer with it than without it. And so will my friends and family.
Get the shots. Encourage others. Be safe.
The vaccines are effective against the variants but not as effective as against the plain vanilla version in terms of stopping infections. In terms of mitigating the worse case outcome of needing ICU care and death, the vaccines are about equally effective against variants as the plain vanilla.
The booster shots which will probably happen in fall/winter will likely be another dose of existing vaccines.
My uninformed opinion is that this virus is very aggressive and we need very high levels of antibodies in our blood to counter it, higher amounts of antibodies than against most other viruses.
The booster shots which will probably happen in fall/winter will likely be another dose of existing vaccines.
My uninformed opinion is that this virus is very aggressive and we need very high levels of antibodies in our blood to counter it, higher amounts of antibodies than against most other viruses.
''Listen this a virus that exists. It's harming some people. generally people who are metabolically healthy and eating an evolutionary consistent diet will be just fine. I've had it and the symptoms were very mild. I think the response has been misguided and generally politized like so many issues. That has led to many missteps and often over constrain the population and make many silly decisions. When we are told to stay indoors and there is very clear knowledge that vitamin D and ultraviolet light are beneficial for our immune systems there's a real discordance there. And that doesn't make any sense when they close beaches in California and outdoor spaces, it's just ridiculous. ''
Heard this today and it pretty much mimics my views on the subject
Natural enhancement of immune tolerance should be priority number one. But this was never mentioned in the corporate main stream media. Zero profit in it.
For those unwilling or unable to improve their metabolic health and immune defense system then these new vaccines are available.
I support whatever choice an individual makes
LMAO, you're hilarious! I asked you what you would do if you were Premier to deal with a COVID pandemic and you recite a fitness plan in a delirious post kind of way. DUDE, get a grip man, and get real. One of my good running buddies who was at a 9% bodyfat, ran marathons regularly before the pandemic, and biked everywhere was unlucky and had a heart attack at 42. He thankfully survived but once again, I'm all into fitness and nutrition but it has its limitations and one of them is protecting you from contracting COVID.
Now let me try again and this time, please do not deflect. What would you have done in March 2020 to deal with the pandemic if you were in charge? Please don't tell me you would pull a Jeff Cavalier and try to coach everyone with healthy eating and exercise and let COVID run wild through the population with this tune playing in the background.
