More Vaccine Side Effects

[TML1967]

Not sure where you got this info, but if you look at the actual data: Provisional Death Counts for Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)
A lot of the "comorbidities" listed was "respiratory failure", "respiratory arrest", "cardiac arrest", "adult respiratory arrest syndrome", "sepsis" which were definitely something which happened after they got covid. Some portions of other conditions like "renal failure", "cerebrovascular disease" etc could also be a result of covid infection too.

Those typical pre-existing comorbidities like diabetes, hypertension, obesity add up to not the many cases, way less than 80%.


Absolutely. If those accidents were preventable, like a faulty brakes or faulty tires, the car manufacturers definitely have to fix it.

I really wish you could have taken a tour of the hospitals and ICUs during the peak of the 3rd wave, and talked to the doctors and nurses working there.
All of them would tell you Covid is not like any other virus, and they have never seen anything like it; with younger patients getting much sicker in the 3rd wave than previous ones.
There has never been a situation where Manitoba has to send ICU patients to Ontario, and there has never been a crisis that we were just a few patients away from enacting the triage protocol.
Think of the sacrifices the health care workers have to make every day, before proposing letting the virus run wild (even for the younger age group).

Pre-existing comorbidities:

Frontiers | The Impact of Pre-existing Comorbidities and Therapeutic Interventions on COVID-19

Evidence from the global outbreak of SARS-CoV-2 has clearly demonstrated that individuals with pre-existing comorbidities are at a much greater risk of dying...

www.frontiersin.org

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/me...had-underlying-medical-conditions/ar-BB18wrA7

https://nbc-2.com/news/2020/08/31/c...19-deaths-in-u-s-had-contributing-conditions/

https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2021/5/24/comorbidities-and-covid-a-much-higher-risk-of

https://abc17news.com/news/2020/09/...ed-from-covid-19-had-pre-existing-conditions/

Again, you’re sensationalize just like the news. There were hospitals at capacity, there were hospitals that were not at capacity. Covid wasn’t the only reason for our lack of beds or overcrowded ER’s. You could see this just walking into an ER on a Saturday night (before covid). Beds out in hallways, understaffed, registered nurses being replaced by PT’s with less education, Doctors being overworked, etc. add to that the privatization of old age homes and everything blew up in the governments face, all for helping their cronies make bigger profits. A virus is just that, a virus it’s made to survive and it will come back stronger everytime! the reason I’ll keep reiterating we need to take care of our health.
I hope you guys take a moment of your time to read the articles and the research. So you can comprehend the amount of times they mention health and our immune system, lol. Nobody is telling anyone to not get a vaccine. I’m clearly stating take care of your health as the vaccine is just a part of the solution.

 

[Valcazar]

Exactly! By debate, by understanding and comprehending the results and the science. Looking at the issues and finding solutions from both ends of the spectrum. Through many different perspectives. At no moment have they ever stopped any one from using their cars or being allowed out on the road, because a small amount of people have died in comparison to a whole population.

They stopped hundreds of thousands of people from being allowed on the road. They licensed everyone and arrested those who drove without one. They put in laws about DUI and took people's ability to drive away.
"This is a public danger, so we are putting laws in to stop those who do it" is basically the whole story. This is entirely analogous to vaccination and an argument in favor of vaccination and social distancing laws and lockdowns.

 

[Valcazar]

I’m clearly stating take care of your health as the vaccine is just a part of the solution.

As are other non-pharmaceutical interventions and as are therapeutics (Where we have really dropped the ball, in my opinion.)
Of these, unsurprisingly, vaccinations are probably the most important and powerful by a long stretch.

 

[idcloak]

Again, you’re sensationalize just like the news. There were hospitals at capacity, there were hospitals that were not at capacity. Covid wasn’t the only reason for our lack of beds or overcrowded ER’s. You could see this just walking into an ER on a Saturday night (before covid). Beds out in hallways, understaffed, registered nurses being replaced by PT’s with less education, Doctors being overworked, etc. add to that the privatization of old age homes and everything blew up in the governments face, all for helping their cronies make bigger profits. A virus is just that, a virus it’s made to survive and it will come back stronger everytime! the reason I’ll keep reiterating we need to take care of our health.

Again, I wish you could talk to the frontline ICU doctors and nurses. All those factors you mentioned have been there for years. Why did the crisis only happen during Covid?
Talking to those involved would definitely clear up all the confusion and misinformation you have read.
They will tell you Covid is not like any other virus.

 

[Valcazar]

Pre-existing comorbidities:

Frontiers | The Impact of Pre-existing Comorbidities and Therapeutic Interventions on COVID-19

Evidence from the global outbreak of SARS-CoV-2 has clearly demonstrated that individuals with pre-existing comorbidities are at a much greater risk of dying...

www.frontiersin.org

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/me...had-underlying-medical-conditions/ar-BB18wrA7

https://nbc-2.com/news/2020/08/31/c...19-deaths-in-u-s-had-contributing-conditions/

https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2021/5/24/comorbidities-and-covid-a-much-higher-risk-of

https://abc17news.com/news/2020/09/...ed-from-covid-19-had-pre-existing-conditions/

The problem is most of those articles are about the "only 6%" fallacy. Yes, they at least don't seem to be pitching the whole "this means most deaths listed as due to COVID weren't due to COVID" but they still have the problem of thinking that the 6% with only COVID listed means those are the only ones where people died due solely to COVID and not death certificates that were incorrectly filled out. (It's actually listed as over 5% now by the CDC, so they are improving.)

That's not to say you are wrong about certain comorbidiies contributing to greater risk, that is certainly true. It's just that the "94% of people had other causes as well" isn't really a good interpretation.

 

[TML1967]

Again, I wish you could talk to the frontline ICU doctors and nurses. All those factors you mentioned have been there for years. Why did the crisis only happen during Covid?
Talking to those involved would definitely clear up all the confusion and misinformation you have read.
They will tell you Covid is not like any other virus.

That’s exactly where my source of information is coming from, lol. Like I said the full spectrum. Many people showed up to hospitals with minor symptoms of covid, many due to the media hype machine. The ‘pros’ and ‘cons’ of information. It’s all about how one interprets what’s out in from of them. It is vital to to hear all voices and experiences.

 

[TML1967]

The problem is most of those articles are about the "only 6%" fallacy. Yes, they at least don't seem to be pitching the whole "this means most deaths listed as due to COVID weren't due to COVID" but they still have the problem of thinking that the 6% with only COVID listed means those are the only ones where people died due solely to COVID and not death certificates that were incorrectly filled out. (It's actually listed as over 5% now by the CDC, so they are improving.)

That's not to say you are wrong about certain comorbidiies contributing to greater risk, that is certainly true. It's just that the "94% of people had other causes as well" isn't really a good interpretation.

Agree, my message from the beginning has been to express how important our state of health is whether vaccinated or not. It is a vital factor that that isn’t being talked about enough or recognized but those thinking vaccination is the only answer. Way too many vaccinated people (especially in here) think “Got my 2 doses now it’s time to party”.
One thing I’d like to say is I really admire your ability to rely your information in an easy to understand, knowledgeable, and respectable way. It’s great to come across people who can still have a conversation with one another without getting personal or insulting. You bring up some great points, which I agree with 100% Understanding and comprehending viewpoints and perspectives is a lost art in our right or wrong egocentric world. Thank you !

 

[squeezer]

That’s exactly where my source of information is coming from, lol. Like I said the full spectrum. Many people showed up to hospitals with minor symptoms of covid, many due to the media hype machine. The ‘pros’ and ‘cons’ of information. It’s all about how one interprets what’s out in from of them. It is vital to to hear all voices and experiences.

Minor symptoms of COVID were not checked in and counted as part of the hospitalized. I actually have spoken with many front-line staffers and during the high number of case counts it was a complete shit show in ICUs. If you remember correctly, Sick Kids was brought online to service adults for the first time in its history that I know of. keep on trying to downplay COVID with your nonsense.

 

[Valcazar]

Agree, my message from the beginning has been to express how important our state of health is whether vaccinated or not. It is a vital factor that that isn’t being talked about enough or recognized but those thinking vaccination is the only answer. Way too many vaccinated people (especially in here) think “Got my 2 doses now it’s time to party”.

The problem I have with that is my experience is that people vastly overestimate their state of health and their ability to control their state of health.
Years of watching people spout bullshit if not outright scamming people about that means I treat anyone emphasizing that with great suspicion.

One thing I’d like to say is I really admire your ability to rely your information in an easy to understand, knowledgeable, and respectable way. It’s great to come across people who can still have a conversation with one another without getting personal or insulting. You bring up some great points, which I agree with 100% Understanding and comprehending viewpoints and perspectives is a lost art in our right or wrong egocentric world. Thank you !

Oh, you'll find lots of people here who think I'm a complete asshole. Once I think you're no longer arguing in good faith I don't make much effort to engage thoughtfully anymore.
(But thank you.)

 

[TeeJay]

The problem I have with that is my experience is that people vastly overestimate their state of health and their ability to control their state of health.
Years of watching people spout bullshit if not outright scamming people about that means I treat anyone emphasizing that with great suspicion.

You must be pleased with recent months then while vast majority of Canadians are underestimating their ability to survive Covid

I mean for fucks sake even if we lined the entire province up and exposed them to the virus we are talking 5 to 6 % of the total population dying
Despite making lions share of deaths there really are not that many 80+ Ontarians even before Covid existed, and very few of them are healthy

Ontario population projections

Learn about the 2023-2051 population projections for Ontario and its 49 census divisions.

www.ontario.ca

 

[squeezer]

You must be pleased with recent months then while vast majority of Canadians are underestimating their ability to survive Covid

I mean for fucks sake even if we lined the entire province up and exposed them to the virus we are talking 5 to 6 % of the total population dying
Despite making lions share of deaths there really are not that many 80+ Ontarians even before Covid existed, and very few of them are healthy

Ontario population projections

Learn about the 2023-2051 population projections for Ontario and its 49 census divisions.

www.ontario.ca

He's at it again

 

[Valcazar]

You must be pleased with recent months then while vast majority of Canadians are underestimating their ability to survive Covid

I mean for fucks sake even if we lined the entire province up and exposed them to the virus we are talking 5 to 6 % of the total population dying

You are ok with casually killing off 5% of the population?
Damn, you're fucking cold, man.