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Uh huh.
You admitted you were trolling using the term.

You pretty much lose any moral argument once you stoop this low.
I was calling him a Pakistani - as in an actual national of Pakistan. That isn't a slur. Because Pakistanis (nationals of Pakistan) on the internet, will make the same arguments he makes. They love bringing up Hindu Nationalism, calling Modi a terrorist etc., trying to mask the terrorism they harbour and direct towards India. They love speaking about minority rights, forgetting the fact that they abuse and murder their Shia (aka Muslim) minority people. Same with bver_hunter as well. I can instantly tell who these guys are just based on experience lol. You can literally feel their anger and resentment towards India. Thankfully I have only found this to be an online phenomenon.

I wasn't calling him a "Paki" though, that doesn't make sense coming from another brown guy.
 
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Racial groups aren't just skin colour.
We are all the same genetically, there is as much genetic diversity within in one population of the same skin colour as there is within any other group of humans.
Move any group of humans closer to the poles and over 50 generations their skin colour will also change.

Racism is about cultural, religions divisions as much as it is about skin colours.
Sure, but the conflict in India between Hindus and Muslims is usually retaliatory, than cultural resentment. Hindus and Muslims have lived together for centuries, so nothing regarding each other's culture is new to Indians. Infact culturally there are similarities between Hindus and Muslims - traditionally speaking.
 

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Sure, but the conflict in India between Hindus and Muslims is usually retaliatory, than cultural resentment. Hindus and Muslims have lived together for centuries, so nothing regarding each other's culture is new to Indians. Infact culturally there are similarities between Hindus and Muslims - traditionally speaking.
 

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People who immigrate to Canada should leave their political and other baggage behind them and not bring their problems to Canada. We have enough of our own. They should be happy to build a new life in Canada and not use this country to fight their old battles back in their home countries. Why are no Canadian politicians speaking up on this issue? Trudeau and Singh are just playing this up to gain votes from the Sikh community in this case.
 

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People who immigrate to Canada should leave their political and other baggage behind them and not bring their problems to Canada. We have enough of our own. They should be happy to build a new life in Canada and not use this country to fight their old battles back in their home countries. Why are no Canadian politicians speaking up on this issue? Trudeau and Singh are just playing this up to gain votes from the Sikh community in this case.
Exactly!

Okay, India is so horrible that you left and came here. Canada protected you, gave you asylum, helped you become successful. And did these guys just live their lives? No they continued with the same BS and then proceeded to bomb a plane and KILL CANADIANS!!

What part of this doesn't register with people like Trudeau? Why can't he just call this movement what it is instead of talking about freedom of speech? After all India and Canada are generally friendly countries. Just for a few votes from the NDP lol. SMH.
 

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I was calling him a Pakistani - as in an actual national of Pakistan. That isn't a slur. Because Pakistanis (nationals of Pakistan) on the internet, will make the same arguments he makes. They love bringing up Hindu Nationalism, calling Modi a terrorist etc., trying to mask the terrorism they harbour and direct towards India. They love speaking about minority rights, forgetting the fact that they abuse and murder their Shia (aka Muslim) minority people. Same with bver_hunter as well. I can instantly tell who these guys are just based on experience lol. You can literally feel their anger and resentment towards India. Thankfully I have only found this to be an online phenomenon.

I wasn't calling him a "Paki" though, that doesn't make sense coming from another brown guy.
Posts attracting "(y)(y)(y)"s from the likes of "oracle" are akin to attracting flies to with :poop::poop::poop:.

"You can instantly tell who these guys are .....", these Pakistanis on the internet, huh?

Really? Care to opine more ethnically biased supreme omnipotence?

Your posts speak for themselves and yourself and you are spring loaded and hair triggered to defend any and all perceived slights that you perceive may tarnish your genetically and culturally, hard-wired perception of the supreme awesomeness and unflagging integrity of India.

I mean what next India? Going down the Russian Novichok, falling out of building windows/Chinese kidnapping route?
 
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Except Sikhs back in India don't consider these guys freedom fighters. Sikhs back in India know that the entirety of India is their Khalistan. Why would they be dumb enough to want to be relegated to a small north Indian state when they can do pretty much whatever they want throughout India? Sikhs are after all one of the most respected communities in India. I mean the guy who was responsible for India's economic revival, Dr. Manmohan Singh, who was also a former Indian PM, was a Sikh himself. They have also served in the Indian army - I think they compose 1.8% of India's population but they comprise 8% of the Indian army.
Except Sikhs back in India don't consider these guys freedom fighters.

I wonder if you’re missing the point. Whether a person is thought of and labelled as a terrorist or freedom fighter, as with Che Guevara.

Depends entirely on which side your on.

Would it be fair to suggest those with or sympathetic to Al Qaida, think of, call them. Freedom fighters? And who gets to write the history books? Now consider the US and the definition of terrorism/terrorist.

Any act of violence for political gain.
 
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Exactly!

Okay, India is so horrible that you left and came here. Canada protected you, gave you asylum, helped you become successful. And did these guys just live their lives? No they continued with the same BS and then proceeded to bomb a plane and KILL CANADIANS!!

What part of this doesn't register with people like Trudeau? Why can't he just call this movement what it is instead of talking about freedom of speech? After all India and Canada are generally friendly countries. Just for a few votes from the NDP lol. SMH.
That should include people who call Sikh's terrorists and others 'Pakistani' for their posting style.
You should also leave those views behind now that you are in Canada.
 
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That should include people who call Sikh's terrorists and others 'Pakistani' for their posting style.
You should also leave those views behind now that you are in Canada.
If you mean those Sikh terrorists who BOMBED a plane and killed Canadians or Pakistanis who love to trash talk India, then yes THEY should leave their views behind, and try to live as Canadians and desire good things for all countries involved.

I have no views to leave behind because I am calling terrorists, terrorists and I don't have any cultural baggage against anyone.

You wont call them terrorists despite demonstrated evidence that they are because Trudeau said so. Lol.
 
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Except Sikhs back in India don't consider these guys freedom fighters.

I wonder if you’re missing the point. Whether a person is thought of and labelled as a terrorist or freedom fighter, as with Che Guevara.

Depends entirely on which side your on.

Would it be fair to suggest those with or sympathetic to Al Qaida, think of, call them. Freedom fighters? And who gets to write the history books? Now consider the US and the definition of terrorism/terrorist.

Any act of violence for political gain.
Oh I understood what you said. That is what I mean. Even Sikhs back in India won't support the Khalistani movement. It's popular only among the diaspora Sikhs so except the ones here, no one actually supports them.

It's not like these guys have widespread support amongst their own community and the others are calling them terrorist.

Objectively would you call someone who bombs a plane and kills people terrorist or no?
 

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Is this where protests go to the streets to protest and fight each other, because that would make for some great distracting bullshit headlines.
 

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Posts attracting "(y)(y)(y)"s from the likes of "oracle" is akin to attracting flies to with :poop::poop::poop:.

"You can instantly tell who these guys are .....", these Pakistanis on the internet, huh?

Really? Care to opine more ethnically biased supreme omnipotence?

Your posts speak for themselves and yourself and you are spring loaded and hair triggered to defend any and all perceived slights that you perceive may tarnish your genetically and culturally, hard-wired perception of the supreme awesomeness and unflagging integrity of India.

I mean what next India? Going down the Russian Novichok, falling out of building windows/Chinese kidnapping route?
I don't control who up votes my comments nor do I consider anyone morally superior. This is an escort review board after all. Lol. If you do then you have a problem pal.

And I have made zero Hindu nationalistic statements because I am not one. Heck am not even Hindu. Someone trolled me that I am so I trolled them back that they are Pakistani. Anyone would have understood that but not the politically tribal ones with a penchant for adjectives looks like. Lol. And I don't know where I talked about the "supreme awesomeness and unflagging integrity of India" lol. Whatever are you going on about? I have been quite open in acknowledging India as it is, including openly talking about it's socio-political realities, which seem to irk you because they challenge your half baked western media educated narratives that you are attempting to pass for wisdom. That is your problem pal.

I have tried to help you understand what the Khalistani issue is about and why they are terrorists but to you Trudeau is the truth (while producing ZERO evidence that India is actually involved). Despite the fact that these guys have killed people, particularly Canadians. Isn't that amazing?
 
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If you mean those Sikh terrorists who BOMBED a plane and killed Canadians or Pakistanis who love to trash talk India, then yes THEY should leave their views behind, and try to live as Canadians and desire good things for all countries involved.

I have no views to leave behind because I am calling terrorists, terrorists and I don't have any cultural baggage against anyone.

You wont call them terrorists despite demonstrated evidence that they are because Trudeau said so. Lol.
Sure, call those Sikhs who did those crimes 30 years ago terrorists.
But that doesn't mean Nijjar is automatically a terrorist any more than Modi is a terrorist because of Hindu nationalist violence, which is a bigger issue and happening now.

Why do you give Modi a pass for fomenting violence through nationalism?
 

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Sure, call those Sikhs who did those crimes 30 years ago terrorists.
But that doesn't mean Nijjar is automatically a terrorist any more than Modi is a terrorist because of Hindu nationalist violence, which is a bigger issue and happening now.

Why do you give Modi a pass for fomenting violence through nationalism?
Per the link I gave you, there were attacks even in the 2020s, and even though those attacks are minimal today - attacks against people, are attacks against people. It does not change the fact that they are terrorist. Would you apply the same logic to Al-Qaeda if they were to claim that since they did 9/11 more than 22 years ago, they are not terrorists? This is not a good line of reasoning on your end.

If Nijjar was just a Sikh who supported the Khalistani movement, and engaged in protest, then yes, he would not have been, and should not be considered a terrorist. Is India after every Sikh who protests on the streets of Canada? No. But Nijjar formed a militant group called "Khalistan Tiger Force" and is implicated in attacks in India which is why he is a terrorist. Its immaterial if Frankfooter believes the Indian authorities on these allegations. The fact is those Indian authorities are the experts in this field, deal with it on an everyday basis, keep Indians in India safe and know more about this than you or I, so yes, I will take them at their word.

I am not giving Modi a pass. I am saying he is responsible and should take ownership for Hindu/Muslim violence in the country and create harmony.

But I am also trying to inform you, that Hindu/Muslim conflicts are not something that Modi created. They have always existed. Even before India was formed. Hindu/Muslim violence in India is not so much about cultural divisions or racism. It is more about retaliation (as was the case in 2002), or about religious property (as was the case with the Babri Masjid demolition and the subsequent riots).

In my opinion, there is far less religious violence and far less caste violence in India, today than when I was growing up. A large part of my family lives in India. We are minorities. We are a multi-religious family. We are lower caste. Why do we feel safe, despite Modi? This whole, Modi is fomenting violence etc., is a western media narrative. I am not saying there is absolutely no violence. But anything you have heard about - riots, lynching of Muslims for possession of beef, attacks on couples who celebrate valentines day because they are tarnishing Indian culture - you name it. They have happened since I could understand things. But they have also reduced in frequency today.

As for Hindu Nationalists, the majority of them, who are regular citizens of India, support Modi for his economic policies and national accomplishments. That is all Indians care about. Economic prosperity, national pride and achievements. They don't support Modi because they are rabidly nationalistic and hateful of minorities. The ones who are like that, who join RSS, VHP and other Hindu extremist groups are a minority of people.

So given all this, and given the fact Modi is democratically elected and has a simple majority in Parliament, calling him a "terrorist" is not a well thought out argument. This is where internet Pakistanis and other trolls come in. They basically make these thoughtless comments to get a reaction out of people.
 
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Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't recall those separatists bombing a plane and killing 288 Canadians.
They didn't kill 288 people but they did kill people.
That's why my family got the fuck out of there. We were out early (1969) but there was a wave of english Quebecers who got the fuck out of there after us. Don't know exact numbers but probably between 600,000 and 900,000.
Many people on this board families would have been part of the migration out of Quebec and I'm sure somebody may know the number of people who left in the 70's.
 
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They didn't kill 288 people but they did kill people.
That's why my family got the fuck out of there. We were out early (1969) but there was a wave of english Quebecers who got the fuck out of there after us. Don't know exact numbers but probably between 600,000 and 900,000.
Many people on this board families would have been part of the migration out of Quebec and I'm sure somebody may know the number of people who left in the 70's.
''The remnants of the aircraft fell into the sea approximately 190 kilometres (120 miles) off the coast of Ireland, killing all 329 people aboard, including 268 Canadian citizens, 27 British citizens, and 24 Indian citizens.''
 
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