Modi scolds Trudeau over Sikh protests in Canada against India

[Anbarandy]

This is a test. I repeat this is a test of the India Emergency Rabid Rapid Response Defense Team on TERB.

We detected a comment that we perceive doesn't portray Modi, nor India as the largest, greatest and bestest democracy in the universe.

Please set your keyboard to Rabid Rapid Response mode and peck away like a ferocious rooster to defend the honor of Modi and India.

Thank You.

This is just a test.

 

[Anbarandy]

Hey come on, you can do better than that! Did you forget your thesaurus in the toilet?

Hark the ferocious pecking rooster, the defender of the glorious and imperial realm of Modi the Magnificent, the supremely divine and irreproachable ruler of India is at Modi's peck and call, 24/7.

 

[redshank]

Hark the ferocious pecking rooster, the defender of the glorious and imperial realm of Modi the Magnificent, the supremely divine and irreproachable ruler of India is at Modi peck and call, 24/7.

in all seriousness?

I’ve been wondering this for a while

Im pretty sure I’m not the only one

Are You A Fucking Retard?

 

[Not getting younger]

Well now it has to do with Canada. Infact, it will from now on.

Me, while I know a little about India, I’m largely uninformed when it comes to various social dynamics. Might say, I have a layman’s understanding.

Have simply enjoyed reading
Kautilyas perspective and take. It doesn’t make his perspective right, or wrong. Just means he has insight few of us do.

As for this line. How the hell does it not involve us? India is one of our more important trading partners. Will be even more important as we try to wean ourselves off the US. Diversify. Diversification is why we have opened and established trade agreements with India, China and the EU. It took a few decades of politicians trying and failing until Harper got it done finally.

Even more important to us, if we don’t want to be so deeply in bed with China.

Whether Nijar was killed by agents of the state or not. It’s worth getting to the bottom of. I have no doubt, a lot of people here would have a lot to say, as they did and do about Chinas shenanigans here..This last being one of the more interesting aspects to all of this.

There’s a blatant unmistakable vast difference between Trudeua’s handling of it, and the two states actions. There will be reasons for that. .

 

[Anbarandy]

in all seriousness?

I’ve been wondering this for a while

Im pretty sure I’m not the only one

Are You A Fucking Retard?

Seriously?

Where have you fuckin' been all this time?

 

[Frankfooter]

Well now it has to do with Canada. Infact, it will from now on.

Yes, once India starts killing people in Canada over a minor movement it becomes our problem.

 

[Frankfooter]

A movement that killed 329 people and 288 Canadians, many more back home, where members establish militant factions and train in Pakistan cannot be considered minor even if their current activity is reduced.

Also as long as evidence isn't provided India isn't involved.

This is boring Kautilya.

We've been over this too many times.
The Sikh violence here was 30 years ago, since then there has been more violence from nationalists of all forms in India and none in Canada.

You like Hindu nationalism and Modi and hate Sikhs, calling them terrorists.
I don't like other countries killing Canadians in Canada.
You support it.

 

[Anbarandy]

A movement that killed 329 people and 288 Canadians, many more back home, where members establish militant factions and train in Pakistan cannot be considered minor even if their current activity is reduced.

Also as long as evidence isn't provided India isn't involved.

"Peck, peck, peck..... must restore Modi's honor and India's astounding universe leading awesomeness.....peck, peck, peck ...."

 

[Frankfooter]

On the other hand while accusing India of turning authoritarian you are prepared to conclude that a country with no prior history of interfering in other nations, is guilty because a politician you support made the allegation using indecisive language. What could be more authoritarian than that?

India has a history of meddling in Canadian politics.

https://www.business-standard.com/india-news/india-among-top-sources-of-foreign-interference-in-canada-pm-trudeau-s-nsa-123060601122_1.html

 

[Anbarandy]

This is boring Kautilya.

We've been over this too many times.
The Sikh violence here was 30 years ago, since then there has been more violence from nationalists of all forms in India and none in Canada.

You like Hindu nationalism and Modi and hate Sikhs, calling them terrorists.
I don't like other countries killing Canadians in Canada.
You support it.

What we got here, what we have been watching is a former non-aligned democracy transforming itself in an autocracy while still pretending to be it's once former self.

I mean they're perfecting all those tried and true Russian and Chinese propaganda and security service and surveillance tactics.

Who knows how many "hit teams" they have roaming across Canada and around the globe?

 

[Frankfooter]

What is the nature of the interference? That is a poorly written article that doesn't say anything on the nature of interference. After all, the fact that the Five Eyes spied on Indian diplomats, and Canadian refusal to handle extremist elements operating out of the country, would make a case for the opposite. By the way, you read the headlines and not the article. So I quote the article.

"On the contrary, India has raised strong protest with the Canadian government against radical Khalistani elements organising referendums in the North American nations and meddling in India's domestic affairs, particularly the farmers' protests.

Despite exhortation from India to act, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has failed to take action against a new wave of Khalistani activism in Canada.
This is because Trudeau heads a minority government which is backed by the New Democratic Party (NDP), headed by Jagmeet Singh, a Khalistani sympathiser, IANS reported earlier.

Singh's NDP has 24 seats in parliament, whose support is critical for the survival of the Trudeau government.
Singh has been called out time and again on Twitter for attempting to meddle in Indian affairs, especially after he "raised concerns" over the crackdown in Punjab against 'Waris Punjab De' chief and Khalistan sympathiser Amritpal Singh.

According to India Narrative, Singh has long been suspected of attempts to link Khalistani and Kashmiri separatism from his perch in Canada. He is apparently connected with prominent Khalistani and Kashmiri separatist groups based in different countries of Europe, according to media reports."

Great, you read the Indian side of the story I posted to show how that is exactly your narrative.
You echo them on every point.

Now here is the Canadian side to the story, including India trying to embarrass Trudeau in 2018 when the India government invited Jaspal Atwal to state dinners with Trudeau/
This shows that yes, India has been monitoring and trying to infiltrate the Sikh community in Canada for years and yes the government knew about it and wasn't happy.
Including calling Jagmeet Singh a Khalistani sympathizer.

India has been meddling in the Canadian Sikh community for years and the killing of Nijjar is just one more step of an active campaign.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/india-foreign-interference-public-inquiry-1.6784676

 

[Knuckle Ball]

He did. But it was not well thought out. He should not have blamed India so publicly but should have found a better way to handle it.

Trudeau was in a jam no matter what he did. Obviously, Trudeau would have preferred to keep this information from the public until the police completed their investigation; but that wasn’t gonna happen because all this info was gonna come out in the press the next day anyhow.

So…faced with a choice of either letting the info come out in the press vs making a public announcement Trudeau decided it would be best to get out in front of the story.

I dunno…maybe he should have let the story come out in the press and then react to it. Then it might have looked like he was not directly accusing India but simply responding to a story in the press? That seems like a cowardly move to me, tho.

Seriously, though, what specifically would you have done that differed from Trudeau’s approach?

 

[Knuckle Ball]

…

Everyone knows that nothing is going to come out, that is of any serious consequence to India, so why not just react to it and preserve long term goals ?

Because if you don’t respond to it then it will keep happening. And not only will it keep happening but it will escalate and get worse.

Just like we were dealing with regarding Chinese interference in Canadian politics. If you let mobsters push you around they will just see you as weak and keep bullying you until you stand up for yourself.

 

[niniveh]

It is entirely reasonable for the Indian security establishments to monitor separatist and militant groups that continue to engage in terrorist activities and threaten India's national security, while operating out of a country that protects them DESPITE those terrorist groups having killed citizens of the country currently protecting them. Which country would not? That is why you have intelligence and security agencies. To do exactly that.

Canada should be cooperating and working with the Indian authorities to curb these terrorists, and not be working against India, protecting and enabling these terrorists because their politicians need their vote.

This puts Canada squarely in the wrong.

After all, who is Canada going to choose? Criminals, goons and terrorists for short term political gain, or strong relations with India? It shows a lack of thought, understanding and governance from Canadian politicians.

PS: BTW the call for a public inquiry by Sikh organizations. Yeah, right. Bomb and kill Canadians to get back at India and then call for a public inquiry on India to be supported by Canadian politicians. It is like Canadian politicians have undergone a lobotomy! Defies common sense and logic!

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"t is entirely reasonable for the Indian security establishments to monitor separatist and militant groups that continue to engage in terrorist activities and threaten India's national security, while operating out of a country that protects them DESPITE those terrorist groups having killed citizens of the country currently protecting them. Which country would not? That is why you have intelligence and security agencies. To do exactly that."

Maybe. But is it "entirely reasonable" to send hit men to take him out?

 

[Knuckle Ball]

But they don't even know, per their own statements, if it happened. Even if it did, there are ways of diplomatically ensuring such things don't happen again instead of causing a diplomatic crisis.

I read (somewhere) that Trudeau officials had been trying to secure the cooperation of the Indian government for several weeks prior to Trudeau’s trip to India…and that Trudeau approached the issue directly with Modi during his recent visit…but the Indian government has refused to cooperate.

Anyhow, Modi must have known that this announcement was coming.

 

[Frankfooter]

Modi apparently rejected Trudeau's allegation. I think it takes more than just a side convo, which is what Trudeau had with Modi during the G20 summit to secure cooperation.

But yes, it is possible they knew, but may be the frosty relationship between Trudeau and Modi did not help.

And trump rejected all the charges against him.
Putin says he's fighting to denazify Ukraine.

What's your point?

 

[niniveh]

No. But we don't have any evidence that India did.

Don't expect any evidence to be revealed during an an-going homicide investigation. Today's news is that US intel was also on to it and had warned Canada.
Quite a coincidence that Sikhs on India's terrorist list are being knocked off serially; one in Pakistan, one in UK, Nijjar in June and just this week another one in Winnipeg.
Oh I know Queen Latifah must be amassing her frequent flier points doing her vigilante work.

 

[basketcase]

India provided a dossier to Canada. What CSIS did with it, is anybody's guess. It isn't about whose intel you trust. It is about who is making the accusation and what evidence they are providing to support their accusation.

As I said, blind spot.

CSIS found nothing to deny citizenship for. CSIS and the 5 eyes say India was involved in Nijjar's killing. And yes, it is absolutely about trust since one would have to be quite arrogant to think that intelligence agencies are required to post their sensitive intelligence on terb.

They have every reason to trash the govt. that is investigating them.

BBC has a well established reputation for journalism so no, they aren't going to simply lash out at anyone who offends them like Trump. They haven't released the evidence in the case to me but it seems at least as likely that Modi is targeting the BBC to try and silence their journalism.

They won't and that is the issue. If they won't, then don't make it public and take it up with India via diplomatic channels. India isn't an unfriendly nation to Canada. But if you are making a public accusation, then people will ask for evidence. The onus falls on the accuser.

Still thinking this should be tried in the court of public opinion? Sorry to break it to you but that's not how things work.

If India did it, then yes it is a violation of Canadian sovereignty. But did India do it? India says no. Canada says there is a potential link. Which is indecisive language. Trudeau made the accusation in public. So make the evidence public too.

And yes Khalistanis are a terrorist group. A group that bombed a plane and killed 329 people including 288 Canadians is not a terror group?

So you choose to trust India over Canada and the 5 eyes. You're entitled to do so but that doesn't make you right .

Sikh Nationalism is a Canadian phenomenon. Sikhs in India are Indian nationalists.

So you say yet you also keep saying how trashy Sikhs in India are. Of course if this as actually only a Canadian issue, India wouldn't care.

He is a designated terrorist in India. So I presume specific info would have been shared.

But not Canada. It sure seems that Canada either does not accept India's evidence or identified it as politically motivated accusations.

p.s. I see you chose not to respond to my post calling out your plainly racist language to Sikhs.

 

[basketcase]

They are however not Canada's problem or Canada's business.
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Again, when India is involved in assassination of Canadian citizens in Canada, it sure as shit is.

And I hate to invoke Godwin but I can recall at least one other circumstance where a government tried to avoid criticism for an "internal" matter.

 

[basketcase]

I love Sikhs.

I hate Khalistanis.

You should stop cozying up to and sheltering Canadian terrorists and extremists who killed 288 Canadians and many more Indians.

You should also listen to Indian Sikhs on the matter. I posted a link a page ago or so.

Yeah, I'm sure you have a Sikh friend