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[bullitt]

Bobby Orr retired over 40 years ago and Larry Robinson about 30 years ago...hockey has changed since than.

and not for the better i might add...

 

[mellowjello]

If Matthews is a great player at minus 2. Imagine how much greater he would be at minus 4 or minus 6.

Then you complain when guys keep taking shots at you....

 

[Darts]

Then you complain when guys keep taking shots at you....

Was being facetious. Thought it was obvious.
Was a flippant remark about a member's comment that plus/minus is irrelevant/unimportant. I think that plus/minus does have value but just one factor among several in player evaluation.

As far as taking shots, do a count and one can see it is virtually all from the same 3 members all the time.

 

[shack]

Then you complain when guys keep taking shots at you....

People who are knowledgeable and respectable do not take shots at darts.

 

[mellowjello]

Was being facetious. Thought it was obvious.
Was a flippant remark about a member's comment that plus/minus is irrelevant/unimportant. I think that plus/minus does have value but just one factor among player evaluation.

It wasn't obvious at all considering all the posts about +/- and other stats after 13 games.
Jake Gardiner had great Corsi numbers his last year here, he had very good Corsi numbers for Canes last year,
you think the Leafs should have kept him?

 

[Darts]

Ok, back to goalies. Dryden and Esposito had pretty much parallel careers. So, would one rank them on a par? Dryden has the better stats and more trophies.

Take Rogie Vachon, his stats with the Canadiens are better as a Hab than as a King or Wings.

BTW: Esposito's name is on the Cup once as a Canadien.

 

[mellowjello]

Ok, back to goalies. Dryden and Esposito had pretty much parallel careers. So, would one rank them on a par? Dryden has the better stats and more trophies.

BTW: Esposito's name is on the Cup once as a Canadien.

And Esposito totally outplayed him in the 1972 Canada/Soviet series both playing behind the exact same players.
Team Canada - Summit Series 1972 - Goalie Stats (quanthockey.com)

I really don't care, they were both great goalies.

 

[Darts]

And Esposito totally outplayed him in the 1972 Canada/Soviet series both playing behind the exact same players.
Team Canada - Summit Series 1972 - Goalie Stats (quanthockey.com)

I really don't care, they were both great goalies.

Yes, too bad the Habs couldn't keep Esposito. The Habs also had to let Vachon go when he demanded a trade after losing the starting job to Dryden. All 3 are in the HOF

It must be great to be the GM when you can choose Dryden, Esposito or Vachon.

 

[superstar_88]

I proved my point. A goalie on a team with a high flying offense does not necessarily need a good GAA or SV% to win a lot of games.

Dart doesn't know that the team that scores more than the opponent wins.

 

[superstar_88]

Wow...Mitch Marner is a point a game player thru his first five seasons, but by all means, lets evaluate and trade him for the first nine games of this season...what a reasonably fair way to look at it.

I think Dart missed this post. He's now applying it to Matthews.

 

[Darts]

Ok, getting back to plus/minus. As of to-day only one team in the Eastern Conference has a plus.
Florida Panthers is plus 17.

 

[Indiana]

C’mon! Get back to normal ACC home games.
Haven’t seen that little Maria Lopez cutie sing for a while

 

[shack]

Ok, back to goalies. Dryden and Esposito had pretty much parallel careers. So, would one rank them on a par? Dryden has the better stats and more trophies.

Take Rogie Vachon, his stats with the Canadiens are better as a Hab than as a King or Wings.

BTW: Esposito's name is on the Cup once as a Canadien.

Which one of those guys played for the Leafs? This is a Maple Leafs thread.

 

[shack]

Ok, getting back to plus/minus.

Going back to this is a Maple Leafs thread.

You are a minus 10 for staying on topic.

 

[Darts]

Which one of those guys played for the Leafs? This is a Maple Leafs thread.

You have to name a good Leaf goalie first. After all, wasn't it you who brought Fuhr, Smith and Hasek into this thread? So, I now get a plus 30 (10 for each goalie).

 

[Darts]

Haven’t seen that little Maria Lopez cutie sing for a while

She's a young lady now. It pains me to hear her hit the high notes in the Star Spangled Banner.
Here is Martina Ortiz Luis.
St Louis Blues vs Toronto Maple Leafs 09-02-2017 - Bing video

 

[Sonic Temple]

JC36 and WN88 - put on a show tonight - great win buds.

 

[superstar_88]

Dart would like to announce Matthews/Marner/Tavares/Nylander were a combined +2

Matthews btw is +57 in 5 plus seasons combined but to Dart he sucks.
For comparison McD is +68 in the same 5 plus seasons.
They both play in the same modern era.

Is Dart even aware that we're in the salary cap era?
Is Dart even aware goalie's no longer look like sticks.
Is Dart even aware players don't use wooden sticks anymore.

 

[Darts]

Imagine if the Leafs had a Dryden, Esposito or Vachon after Bower retired. Not to mention Roy and Price. Roy actually won 4 Stanley Cups (check for typo).

 

[shack]

So, I now get a plus 30 (10 for each goalie).

Child.