LOCKDOWN TORONTO AND PEEL

jcpro

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Still puts us back to the 20 cases per day range instead of the 1500 we're in now. That's the thing about exponential growth, putting ourselves back to the start gives us a few more months until it's a problem again by which time vaccines will start being delivered.
And so what? 1500 cases; what are they? Demographic breakdown of cases since Covid is a discriminating killer? Where did they happen? If a whole high school becomes infected, it means fuck all. If the LTC facility gets one case, it's a tragedy, as we are witnessing right now, again!!! You people are waiting for the vaccine like the bible thumpers are waiting for the second coming. Well, here's the news. By the time there's a vaccine to inoculate the whole country, there won't be any country left to save. Today, just like in the spring, we are in exactly the same spot. We are shutting down without concentrating on the high at risk population. Btw, the vaccine should go to the at risk people only. That way there will be enough doses that can be quickly delivered and do the most good. The blanket shutdowns DO NOT WORK when the big box stores are open, the public transit is functioning, international travel allowed and schools kept open., etc. Even a moron can figure this out by now!
 

jcpro

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What an idiotic claim. I'm sure you have data to back that up.

I'm sure you believe that those with low-wage jobs in hospitals and long term care homes all have limos and chauffeurs.
They can walk or bike or get themselves another job. A little discomfort is a fair price to save lives, no? As for the "idiotic claim" about the TTC show some data to disprove it. Oh, yeah. We ain't got none.
 

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They can walk or bike or get themselves another job. A little discomfort is a fair price to save lives, no? As for the "idiotic claim" about the TTC show some data to disprove it. Oh, yeah. We ain't got none.
So people living in places with low rent further from downtown are supposed to walk to their downtown hospitals? And if they all get other jobs, who exactly will be doing all the little jobs at the hospitals?

Sorry but the word callous is to tame to describe your view.
 

jcpro

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20 or 30 deaths per day. Big deal?

Funny when conspiracy theorists pretend listening to science is actually a religion.
WHERE ARE THE DEATHS??? WHICH AGE GROUP? WHAT CIRCONSTANCES? MODE OF INFECTIONS? UNDERLYING CONDITIONS? Since when asking for data and acting on it to target the actual deaths is a "conspiracy theory"? The idiots in charge have you spinning to their tunes so hard, you have lost the ability to think.
 

jcpro

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So people living in places with low rent further from downtown are supposed to walk to their downtown hospitals? And if they all get other jobs, who exactly will be doing all the little jobs at the hospitals?

Sorry but the word callous is to tame to describe your view.
I'm being callous????! YOU are willing to trade jobs for lives! How do you live with yourself?
 

CLOUD 500

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And he doesn't care that those are often staffed by people with low salaries who have no other options.
Precisely why I said not everyone is rich to afford a car. After your house/rent, owning a car is the 2nd biggest expense and insurance rates in Ontario are high.
 

CLOUD 500

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We should shut down everything for 2 weeks straight except for grocery stores and hospitals. Trudeau should make $2k available to everyone and call it a statutory holiday.
What would be point? It will not work and Trudope will buy more votes because he is giving away taxpayers money not to mention the high debt load we will have. Before you say I am not a medical expert I will add that politicians are not medical experts either and turned covid into about politics. And if lockdowns did work we would not need another one. The lockdown will reduce the cases no doubt but once you open up the cases will go back up. It is like doing the same thing but hoping for a different outcome. These politicians are lost.
 
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What would be point? It will not work and Trudope will buy more votes because he is giving away taxpayers money not to mention the high debt load we will have. Before you say I am not a medical expert I will add that politicians are not medical experts either and turned covid into about politics. And if lockdowns did work we would not need another one. The lockdown will reduce the cases no doubt but once you open up the cases will go back up. It is like doing the same thing but hoping for a different outcome. These politicians are lost.
I agree they are lost and Williams is calling the shots. If Williams tells Ford to jump in the lake he might actually do it.

At the end of the day. What we have done for the last 9months is not working. We should try something different
 

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The hard reality and truth is:

LOTS OF PEOPLE WILL DIE PERIOD.

If you are concern about your life or getting infected, it’s in your own hands not the Government’s, they can only do so much.

An effective lock down would involve the whole planet caged, till infections are down to 0. Would the pros outweigh the cons at the aftermath?

What seems like the majority of the human population, a vaccine will provide the courage through this storm.
 

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It's likely true in elementary schools. Unfortunately there haven't been many studies that actually studied transmission in schools.
I seem to recall them saying that in NYC it was about 0.15%. Not sure if that was all schools or just elementary.
 

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The numbers are bullshit. The cycle threshold is way too high. This has been known for months.

There are 2 people in the ICU in Ottawa. 2.

This pandemic is not real. Masks and social distancing don’t do a thing. More masks and more social distancing will not help. The government killing small businesses is pouring gas on a fire.

If you haven’t figured out by now that this isn’t about a virus, there’s no hope for you.
 
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sp free

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How come our fearless leaders at all 3 levels of government aren't talking about what they are doing to help and prepare us for this fight. How come there is no talk about the owners of old age homes where 100"s died in the begging of it all from neglect and

incompetence. Are they still the owners and do they still benefit from them? Are any of those fine human being held accountable? Why not show the factories producing those ventilators the we were in such shortage of? Why not talk about how many new nurses and

new doctors we hired to help in this fight? How many new and temporary hospital beds did we open? How about showing the millions of people that recovered from this deadly virus?

Instead what we get are those daily news briefings, with our fearless leaders waving their finger at us, saying that the only reason we are in this mess is because we do not wash our hands. The last part was meant as sarcasm, heads up for the dimwitted.
This x 1000000.

In one year NOTHING has been done to increase hospital capacity. In fact they have a massive backlog of real problems to catch up on that will lead to deaths.

Its unconscionable. It’s reckless. It’s criminal negligence.
 

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The numbers are bullshit. The cycle threshold is way too high. This has been known for months.

There are 2 people in the ICU in Ottawa. 2.

This pandemic is not real. Masks and social distancing don’t do a thing. More masks and more social distancing will not help. The government killing small businesses is pouring gas on a fire.

If you haven’t figured out by now that this isn’t about a virus, there’s no hope for you.
It is a good thing that your voice does not have any influence...
 
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