Lets Not Forget Pierre Polivere was promoting Anti vaxxers and MGTOW KKKONVOY where he showed his true colours which is black

[forgo10]

...same was said about DoFo and he went on to win two consecutive majorities. !

You make it sound like Dofo had the support of the majority of the people in Ontario. Winning a majority does not mean the majority of people support you. It does not mean you now have a mandate to do whatever you want. The last election was one of the most pathetic I have ever seen. I don't have any exact numbers, but for example, if the voting turn out was 40% and Dofo won 60% of he votes, then that means he was supported by 24% of the people ..... hardly a mandate. And yet, Dofo eliminated license plate fees, hoped to buy your vote with was it 50 cent or $1 beer (and I don't mean you specifically Skoob), cut back on health care and protection for the elderly in homes (most of the private ones are his cronies), is trying to privatize parts of health care and support, hoping to increase the cash he has hidden from the public so he can show less of a deficit, green lands to cronies, the most Minister Zoning over rides ever (maybe actually equaling the total of all ever preceding him), and so on and so on.

Just like you keep hanging your hat and argument on what came out of a legal proceeding, which by the way, the judge actually agreed with the government's decision. For clarity, I am not a JT supporter. He is no P.E.T.. But I am thankful he was the PM during covid. His actions, while maybe not supported by everyone, did save the lives of many Canadians and helped keep a roof over their heads. From a personal perspective, I had no need of help whether financial or otherwise and only increased my donations during those years, especially to food banks. When dougie sent me a rebate check for my license plates, I just gave the over $400 to the food bank.

Remember, courts don't always get it right. There are technicalities that allow the guilty to go free (usually Charter related) and there are people who have been incarcerated for years who are innocent, and even put to death (in the USA). Regarding the court cases that the Charter had thrown out, good, the Police should do better and not let that happen. I want the Charter there to protect my rights as well, so those cases thrown out are done so the system should improve and work better and work for all, both you and me.

The Forgotten One

 

[Skoob]

So, since inflation is down to 3.3ish and interest rates are expected to come down this year. The stock market is doing great! Hmmmm, will you credit Just if, by the end of the year, inflation is 2.5 and under and interest rates are under 5%?

Gas by the way is about 1.30 during the evening, pretty damn good if you ask me.

Wow you make things sound so affordable...all the people choosing to pay rent or buy food that. You can give them hope!

 

[Skoob]

What mess?

Canada's doing fine. Apart from the KKKonvoy idiots who fucked up Ottawa and the bridge to Detroit. But the KKKonvoy assholes are PeePee's buddies!!

What mess?
OMFG

 

[mandrill]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1753489537295143114

 

[Not getting younger]

Oh Boy the rabids are really coming out in force. They must be realizing they are getting trounced badly in the polls and here

 

[Frankfooter]

Oh Boy the rabids are really coming out in force. They must be realizing they are getting trounced badly in the polls and here

Seems a good time for a heritage moment.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1753187916228989057

 

[Skoob]

Right and the proper response after this ruling is to say that the next time there is a massive protest of any kind that its against the charter to use the emergency act to end it.

So if there is a massive Greta protest, let it go.
If its a massive protest for Palestine, let it go.
If a few hundred honkers show up with trucks, let it go.

Right?

I'm not sure what shifty twisty things you are trying to say here, but suffice to say, the law is the law.

If the law needs to be changed then there's a democratic way to do that within the system.

You can't uphold the law by breaking the law. That's not how it works.

So? Do you condemn the Liberal government for violating the Canadian Charter of Rights? It's a simple question that needs a Yes or No answer.

 

[Not getting younger]

You make it sound like Dofo had the support of the majority of the people in Ontario. Winning a majority does not mean the majority of people support you. It does not mean you now have a mandate to do whatever you want. The last election was one of the most pathetic I have ever seen. I don't have any exact numbers, but for example, if the voting turn out was 40% and Dofo won 60% of he votes, then that means he was supported by 24% of the people ..... hardly a mandate. And yet, Dofo eliminated license plate fees, hoped to buy your vote with was it 50 cent or $1 beer (and I don't mean you specifically Skoob), cut back on health care and protection for the elderly in homes (most of the private ones are his cronies), is trying to privatize parts of health care and support, hoping to increase the cash he has hidden from the public so he can show less of a deficit, green lands to cronies, the most Minister Zoning over rides ever (maybe actually equaling the total of all ever preceding him), and so on and so on.

Just like you keep hanging your hat and argument on what came out of a legal proceeding, which by the way, the judge actually agreed with the government's decision. For clarity, I am not a JT supporter. He is no P.E.T.. But I am thankful he was the PM during covid. His actions, while maybe not supported by everyone, did save the lives of many Canadians and helped keep a roof over their heads. From a personal perspective, I had no need of help whether financial or otherwise and only increased my donations during those years, especially to food banks. When dougie sent me a rebate check for my license plates, I just gave the over $400 to the food bank.

Remember, courts don't always get it right. There are technicalities that allow the guilty to go free (usually Charter related) and there are people who have been incarcerated for years who are innocent, and even put to death (in the USA). Regarding the court cases that the Charter had thrown out, good, the Police should do better and not let that happen. I want the Charter there to protect my rights as well, so those cases thrown out are done so the system should improve and work better and work for all, both you and me.

The Forgotten One

just like you are flat out wrong.
Ford won 41% of the popular vote vs 23% for both the Libs and NDP. I guess negative wins and FPtP only matter when Libs lose.

But the telling tale, the things Liberals here don’t seem to grasp is what happens when the peons and grass roots say “enough”. And voter turnout surges. Which itself tells a sad tale about voter apathy especially in the extremely privileged and pampered gta. Aka “figure it out”

Look around fellas…..

 

[Skoob]

You make it sound like Dofo had the support of the majority of the people in Ontario. Winning a majority does not mean the majority of people support you. It does not mean you now have a mandate to do whatever you want. The last election was one of the most pathetic I have ever seen. I don't have any exact numbers, but for example, if the voting turn out was 40% and Dofo won 60% of he votes, then that means he was supported by 24% of the people ..... hardly a mandate. And yet, Dofo eliminated license plate fees, hoped to buy your vote with was it 50 cent or $1 beer (and I don't mean you specifically Skoob), cut back on health care and protection for the elderly in homes (most of the private ones are his cronies), is trying to privatize parts of health care and support, hoping to increase the cash he has hidden from the public so he can show less of a deficit, green lands to cronies, the most Minister Zoning over rides ever (maybe actually equaling the total of all ever preceding him), and so on and so on.

Just like you keep hanging your hat and argument on what came out of a legal proceeding, which by the way, the judge actually agreed with the government's decision. For clarity, I am not a JT supporter. He is no P.E.T.. But I am thankful he was the PM during covid. His actions, while maybe not supported by everyone, did save the lives of many Canadians and helped keep a roof over their heads. From a personal perspective, I had no need of help whether financial or otherwise and only increased my donations during those years, especially to food banks. When dougie sent me a rebate check for my license plates, I just gave the over $400 to the food bank.

Remember, courts don't always get it right. There are technicalities that allow the guilty to go free (usually Charter related) and there are people who have been incarcerated for years who are innocent, and even put to death (in the USA). Regarding the court cases that the Charter had thrown out, good, the Police should do better and not let that happen. I want the Charter there to protect my rights as well, so those cases thrown out are done so the system should improve and work better and work for all, both you and me.

The Forgotten One

"Courts don't always get it right"...except when they rule in your favour? hmmmmm

Liberals violated the Canadian Charter of Rights. There's no need to spew stuff about DoFo here...keep focused on the Feds...and consider their violation against not only the law, but to every Canadian.

ps it's ironic that you play down DoFo's two consecutive majority victories while at the same time not considering the Feds consecutive minority governments. If winning a majority government doesn't mean the majority of people support you...then what does a minority government mean?

And yet you have a minority government violating the charter of rights without the majority of people supporting them? hmmmm you need to rethink your position here. Perhaps remove some hypocrisy while you're at it. It will provide more clarity for you.

 

[Frankfooter]

I'm not sure what shifty twisty things you are trying to say here, but suffice to say, the law is the law.

If the law needs to be changed then there's a democratic way to do that within the system.

You can't uphold the law by breaking the law. That's not how it works.

So? Do you condemn the Liberal government for violating the Canadian Charter of Rights? It's a simple question that needs a Yes or No answer.

I think that the fact that it had to go to court and that decision is still being appealed means the answer still isn't clear.
At the time it seemed the legal and reasonable choice to end a protest that was using large trucks instead of popular support to shut down the economy at bridges. If its found to have been excessive in appeal I support no government being able to do it again.

 

[Frankfooter]

just like you are flat out wrong.
Ford won 41% of the popular vote vs 23% for both the Libs and NDP. I guess negative wins and FPtP only matter when Libs lose.

But the telling tale, the things Liberals here don’t seem to grasp is what happens when the peons and grass roots say “enough”. And voter turnout surges. Which itself tells a sad tale about voter apathy especially in the extremely privileged and pampered gta.

Look around fellas…..

Given the 58 per cent voter turnout, that means only 23 per cent of the public elected Doug Ford.

 

[Skoob]

I think that the fact that it had to go to court and that decision is still being appealed means the answer still isn't clear.
At the time it seemed the legal and reasonable choice to end a protest that was using large trucks instead of popular support to shut down the economy at bridges. If its found to have been excessive in appeal I support no government being able to do it again.

Liberals are appealing as a PR stunt...to buy time...damage control.
They're not appealing because they seriously think it will get over-turned.
They're banking on this just going to sleep and being delayed before the next election.

 

[squeezer]

Wow you make things sound so affordable...all the people choosing to pay rent or buy food that. You can give them hope!

Facts are facts and the biggest has been the rising interest rate which is NOT the government's fault because the Federal government does NOT control the Bank of Canada. This is why Pee Pee was ridiculed when he claimed he'd fire the governor of the BOC and hasn't since dared say another word about this so-called firing.

Hopefully, by the end of the year, rates will be down, folks will realize what a piss stain Pee Pee would be on the country and re-elect the golden boy JUSTIN TRUDEAU.....

 

[forgo10]

just like you are flat out wrong.
Ford won 41% of the popular vote vs 23% for both the Libs and NDP. I guess negative wins and FPtP only matter when Libs lose.

Yes, Ford did win 41%, but according to your numbers 41% is not more than 46%. And FPtP is what we have, so deal with it. But I still maintain 41% of ,for eg. 50% who voted, does not constitute a majority.

But the telling tale, the things Liberals here don’t seem to grasp is what happens when the peons and grass roots say “enough”. And voter turnout surges. Which itself tells a sad tale about voter apathy especially in the extremely privileged and pampered gta. Aka “figure it out”

First, I am not a Liberal or from the GTA. Voter apathy is a HUGE problem. I completely agree with you. I guess we will just have to see "when the peons and grass roots say 'enough' and voter turnout surges", who will come out to vote, those that support PP or those that want no part of him at all.

Look around fellas…..

 

[Not getting younger]

I’ll take that as bit of a “my bad for the last bit. Wasn’t directed at you. I did say “Liberals here” I did not say “you don’t”

However with respect to Fords wins. He gots sizeable chunks of the popular, with the NDP/LIbs splitting the left.

But why is it, people including you always forget about the silent majority and peons and voter apathy. And what happens when they say “enough”..

Governments fall, often hard.

 

[forgo10]

"Courts don't always get it right"...except when they rule in your favour? hmmmmm

Now that is funny! Is that what you got from what I wrote? LOL

There's no need to spew stuff about DoFo here...keep focused on the Feds...and consider their violation against not only the law, but to every Canadian.

It was actually you that spewed stuff about dougie and that was what I replied to.

If winning a majority government doesn't mean the majority of people support you...then what does a minority government mean?

As Frankfooter pointed out: Given the 58 per cent voter turnout, that means only 23 per cent of the public elected Doug Ford. I guess my for "example numbers" were pretty close, thanks Frankfooter.

Ok, I won't take out my big crayons (just a small tease on my part, sorry ) I think you know exactly what a minority government means. The fact that anyone that can run a country with a minority government is a testament to them being able to reach a compromise with those across the aisle and govern. Your hero PP would absolutely need a clear majority because he could never run a minority government. PP spent maybe a day and half in University and since then he has been on the government dole his entire life.

And yet you have a minority government violating the charter of rights without the majority of people supporting them? hmmmm you need to rethink your position here. Perhaps remove some hypocrisy while you're at it. It will provide more clarity for you.

You seem to be doing a lot of hmmm'ing. I hope you come up with some cogent thoughts. I am always open to rethinking my position. I have listened to PP and so far, I haven't heard anything from him that may be constructive and solve some of the issues and problems he seems to yell so much about. From what I see and hear he doesn' seem to have any solutions or even to offer any plan that solves the issues we, as Canadians, have. Maybe the PP people should think for themselves and not just say YEAH DOWN WITH JT ...... LET"S HONK OUR HORNS LET"S YELL LOUDER ...... etc. etc. Maybe if they listened and asked questions, it would provide them/you with more clarity and possibly prevent them/you from "throwing the baby out with the bath water". A change for change's sake without any clarity on possible solutions is just plain foolish and doesn't solve anythng, and I don't think you are foolish or a fool.

If calling me a hypocrite makes you feel better, go for it.

The Forgotten One

 

[richaceg]

The election is about 2 years away. Pee Pee and especially his Rank and file have a lot of time to put their foot in their mouth.

Let me ask you Rich, if Pee Pee was the PM today, right now, this very instant would your mortgage or rent, gas, and groceries be less?

We will never find out.

 

[forgo10]

I’ll take that as bit of a “my bad for the last bit. Wasn’t directed at you. I did say “Liberals here” I did not say “you don’t”

However with respect to Fords wins. He gots sizeable chunks of the popular, with the NDP/LIbs splitting the left.

But why is it, people including you always forget about the silent majority and peons and voter apathy. And what happens when they say “enough”..

Governments fall, often hard.

Ngy, I took no offense, and again, you are correct about the silent majority, peons and apathy. Where I am not sure you are correct is what you think happens when they say 'enough'. Yes, governments do fall and often hard ..... just check out Ontario after the Liberals. I, however, don't assume that the silent majority and apathetic are all coming out voting for PP. I actually believe that there are fewer of the silent majority and apathetic that consider themsleves conservative. I think that the liberals make up the majority of the silents and apathetics. Not sure if either of us are correct in the make up, we will just have to see.

I do take minor offense to the use of 'peons' since it reminds me of "a basket full of deplorables" used south of the border. (Just a minor tease on my part )

The Forgotten One

 

[MarcoHardOnFire]

Why do you people notunderstand that yes Trudeau show end his journey. But ifthat meant Pierre Polivere would win. Id want Trudeau back in a heartbeat.

That makes you too stupid to be allowed to vote.

 

[Frankfooter]

Liberals are appealing as a PR stunt...to buy time...damage control.
They're not appealing because they seriously think it will get over-turned.
They're banking on this just going to sleep and being delayed before the next election.

You kidding?

Balcony guy is a heritage moment and loved across the country.
The anti vaxxer convoy is less liked than ever.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1699174399536975877