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Bucktee

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The BYRNA Technologies pepper gun, while marketed as a non-lethal self-defense tool, is absolutely illegal in Canada, and mere possession can lead to arrest. Its appearance, nearly indistinguishable from a real firearm, poses a significant risk, police officers may perceive it as a genuine threat and respond with lethal force. Moreover, if a civilian were to point this device at an armed criminal, the situation could escalate dangerously, as the criminal might react with gunfire in what he perceives as self-defense. Despite its non-lethal intent, the pepper gun carries serious legal and life-threatening consequences. You may anger your assailant and he may take it away from you and give you a pepper enema.
I know people that bought the Byrna 2 years ago. Unless laws have changed since then, it is legal to own.

They said it didn't work very well.

It's definitely has restrictions similar to actual firearms like you cannot carry it in public, and so on.

Regardless of the legalities, I agree that it's not a good option or alternative to a real gun.

I know one wife that got her firearms license and also bought a Byrna because there have been break-ins in her upper middle class neighbourhood and she doesn't feel safe. Never thought I'd hear such a sentiment in Canada. What a tragedy
 

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Crazy how defenseless we are here in Canada.
Those of us that have more defense at home, may also become more like the rest of the peons if the government has their way. All licensed firearms owners received the following email on March 13th:

Subject: March 7, 2025 Firearms Prohibition

(Le français suit)


On March 7, 2025, the Government of Canada amended the Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and Other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited or Restricted (commonly referred to as the “Classification Regulations.”) The amendments have the effect of reclassifying certain named firearms and their variants as prohibited.

The detailed list of the 179 unique makes and models of the newly prohibited firearms can be found at Government of Canada prohibits additional assault-style firearms

This is in addition to firearms prohibited on December 5, 2024 and May 1, 2020.

As the holder of a valid firearms licence, you are being contacted by the Canadian Firearms Program as you may be in possession of one of these firearms.


WHAT THIS MEANS FOR YOU:

  • As of March 7, 2025, these firearms are now classified as prohibited.
  • An Amnesty Order, expiring March 1, 2026, has been introduced which protects owners who were in legal possession of one or more of these newly prohibited firearms on the day the amendments to the Classification Regulations came into force, (March 7, 2025).
  • The Amnesty Order allows individuals the time to come into compliance with the law.

WHAT YOU SHOULD KNOW ABOUT THE NEWLY PROHIBITED FIREARMS:

  • Owners must keep affected firearms securely stored in accordance with their previous classification.
  • Affected firearms cannot be legally used, sold or imported.
  • Affected firearms may only be transported under limited circumstances as set out in the Amnesty Order.
  • Affected firearms cannot be legally used for hunting unless allowed through the Amnesty Order.*
  • Affected firearms cannot be used for sport shooting, either at a range or elsewhere.
*The amnesty period allows for the continued use of previously non-restricted firearms in limited circumstances (e.g., by Indigenous persons exercising Aboriginal or treaty rights to hunt and by those who hunt or trap to sustain themselves or their families), until the end of the amnesty period.


WHAT ARE YOUR OPTIONS:

  • Securely store the affected firearms in accordance with their previous classification and wait for further information from the Government of Canada.
  • Have your firearms deactivated by a licensed firearms business certified in deactivation and advise the Registrar of Firearms once completed.
  • Legally export your firearm.
If Covid had been a real threat instead of the embellished scare that it was, people would have been driven to madness. Even under the mild conditions of covid, normal people became paranoid lunatics. We saw them raid stores of its toilet paper and cleaning supplies, cut people out of common areas, and preaching death to non-followers of the Fauci faith.

Under a severe deadly pandemic, you'll want to have guns for protection. No doubt you'll need it, not only against criminals but against your once-normal turned-psycho neighbour.
 
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Bucktee

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So realistically what's the difference between illegal pepper spray and legal dog spray?:unsure:
"Dog spray typically contains 1.0% Major Capsaicinoids, while human pepper spray can range up to 1.33%. Bear spray typically contains 2% capsaicinoids. "

The human spray is slightly stronger.

I've been sprayed in the eye with pepper spray. Some people find the pain intolerable. The pain wasn't an issue for me, in fact I found it pleasurable. But it did incapacitate me as I could not keep my eyes open for more than a second at a time. It's like trying to keep your eye open while someone is poking you in the eye, your eyes automatically keep trying to stay shut.
 

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"Dog spray typically contains 1.0% Major Capsaicinoids, while human pepper spray can range up to 1.33%"

The human spray is slightly stronger.

I've been sprayed in the eye with pepper spray. Some people find the pain intolerable. The pain wasn't an issue for me, in fact I found it pleasurable. But it did incapacitate me as I could not keep my eyes open for more than a second at a time. It's like trying to keep your eye open while someone is poking you in the eye, your eyes automatically keep trying to stay shut.
So .3 of a percent is the difference between legal and illegal? That's kinda ridiculous. 🤦‍♂️
 

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So .3 of a percent is the difference between legal and illegal? That's kinda ridiculous. 🤦‍♂️
According to the internet it's because dogs have a more sensitive olfactory system compared to humans.

Also, bear spray only has 0.7% more than human pepper spray and is apparently very effective.
 
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But it can do a bit of damage. Especially if you get hit in the face.
Here's screenshots of test videos.
The first is the mark it leaves in wood.
The 2nd is the bruises it does to the body



I've owned several air rifles and pistols before. The CO2 gas cartridge is great because you can fire multiple shots, but it's muzzle velocity is still limited. I owned a Crosman Pump pistol which is the most powerful air pistol you can legally own in Canada, 495 fps. The limit is 500 fps, but the drawback is that it requires several pumps to reach that maximum. It can do more damage than pistol in the original post, however, the pain it inflicts and stopping power is laughable compared to a real firearm. If I was attacked at home, I'd prefer my 12" meat cutting knife 🔪 , that I can use to stab and slash.
 
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I owned a Crosman Pump pistol which is the most powerful air pistol you can legally own in Canada, 495 fps. The limit is 500 fps,...

Incorrect.

Be precise when you state so-called facts.

You can own much more powerful air rifles, but they are then classified differently as the ones below 500 fps.

One random example:


For over 500 fps you need a PAL to purchase.

Totally legal.
 

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You can get like BB guns from Chinese websites like Temu and what not that come with metal balls. Not sure what their specs are compared to these. Talk to a lawyer who deals with criminal law before trying to use anything for self defense in Canada lol. Most of the times if you do something to someone else you can get in trouble which sucks for people defending themself in Canada. IIRC there's only been a handful of times in Canada where someone with a gun who defended themself was deemed not guilty but the legal process was costly. I recall 2 cases off hand where that has happened. America has the better defending rights of course. There's some places where things are so bad cops have told home owners if you shot someone on your property that's known to cause trouble then drag their body closer to your doorstep and say they were trying to enter. Especially for ladies dealing with weirdos who perhaps stand outside and watch them often.
LOL, no, DON'T talk to a criminal lawyer before trying to use anything for self -defense in Canada!

Are you serious? You are saying, risking your life is better then risking jail?

Of COURSE you are going to go through legal things if you shoot dead someone invading your house with a gun - as you should! We can't just allow RANDOM SHOOTINGS, but...if someone is posing an imminent threat to your life, you kill that person if necessary to preserve your own life. Then, if you can prove that it was necessary, you are fine. If not, you may go to jail for manslaughter.

But last time I heard, when you go to jail for manslaughter you are actually alive, no?
 
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This idea that you can't kill someone with a gun that is threatening your life is a bit of an urban legend:

https://torontosun.com/news/national/hunter-rural-home-invasions-becoming-a-killing-zone-for-thugs


"Some of Canada’s small army of home invasion thugs might want to start giving a think to terrorizing people in rural areas.

In the past week, three have been iced by their targeted victims. You won’t hear a lot about it. Law enforcement in eastern Ontario and New Brunswick have been deathly quiet about the two incidents.

Cops say that on Feb. 2, around 9 p.m., OPP officers were called to a rural home in South Glengarry — about 110 kilometres southeast of Ottawa — for reports of two people shot.


Inside the house were two men who had been shot to death. A third slipped away in a vehicle and has not yet been found.

Detectives say the incident was targeted. But the outcome was certainly not what the thugs had desired.

“These individuals did go there for a reason, did force their way into the home and were confronted by an individual resulting in two of them being deceased and one on the run,” OPP spokesman Bill Dickson said.

As for the residents, they were unharmed. They were taken into custody but later released unconditionally, and no charges have been laid.


Cops have not released the names of the recently departed home invaders.

Dickson told The Toronto Sun Tuesday that the investigation is “still ongoing” and that detectives were trying to determine the nature of the apparent home invasion.

Across the country, death came calling for Brian Justin Johnson, 35. The Halifax man was taken off the board by a New Brunswick homeowner during what cops describe as a “violent home invasion.”

On Feb. 6, around 5:51 a.m., RCMP officers responded to a report of a home invasion in the tiny hamlet of Berry Hill, west of Moncton.

Cops said the invaders blew the door out with a shotgun to gain entry. But there was no prize behind Door Number One.

According to cops, a man and woman in their early thirties were home when three thugs forcibly broke into their home. Among the cast was the unfortunate Mr. Johnson who was found dead at the scene.


When police arrived, Johnson’s compadres were long gone. Cops described the incident as “targeted.” So far, there have been no charges filed against the homeowners.

For felons practising the fine art of home invasion, as in real estate, it’s location, location, location.

You’re unlikely to get wasted pulling a home invasion in Markham, Richmond Hill, Pickering or Rosedale.

But once you go rural, there’s a greater chance that your intended victim has a gun and a greater likelihood you’ll be fitted with a toe tag.

Philosophical hitman Jules Winnfield (Samuel L. Jackson) thwarts Pumpkin and Honey Bunny’s scheme in Pulp Fiction. But he doesn’t ice them.

“You happen to pull this s*** while I’m in a transitional period, so I don’t wanna kill you,” Winnfield tells the pair.

Rural home invaders should probably pray that some of the armed country folk are also in a “transitional period” if the last week’s events are any indication."
 
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skiierelite

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Incorrect.

Be precise when you state so-called facts.

You can own much more powerful air rifles, but they are then classified differently as the ones below 500 fps.

One random example:


For over 500 fps you need a PAL to purchase.

Totally legal.
We are discussing weapons that don't require a PAL, obviously.
 
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Phil C. McNasty

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The ridiculous thing about Canadian law is if you do shoot someone dead in self-defense, you will still end up being charged, and you then have to spend tens of thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) of dollars on a good lawyer to get yourself acquitted. Thats money you'll never see back either
 

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We are discussing weapons that don't require a PAL, obviously.
Nice after-the-fact try, LOL.


"I owned a Crosman Pump pistol which is the most powerful air pistol you can legally own in Canada, 495 fps."

That is factually incorrect.

If you had said "without a permit" - fine, but you didn't.
We are discussing weapons that don't require a PAL, obviously.
Ah! I get it.

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So really, what you said was that " the most powerful air pistol you can legally own in Canada, 495 fps. The limit is 500 fps, ",

BUT, , it was kind of understood, I mean, everyone should have known that what you meant was,


"The most powerful air pistol you can legally own in Canada, is 495fps, unless you , ahhh, legally own an air rifle that is over 500 fps, if you do it legally.

Gotcha.
 

skiierelite

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Nice after-the-fact try, LOL.


"I owned a Crosman Pump pistol which is the most powerful air pistol you can legally own in Canada, 495 fps."

That is factually incorrect.

If you had said "without a permit" - fine, but you didn't.

Ah! I get it.

Y

So really, what you said was that " the most powerful air pistol you can legally own in Canada, 495 fps. The limit is 500 fps, ",

BUT, , it was kind of understood, I mean, everyone should have known that what you meant was,


"The most powerful air pistol you can legally own in Canada, is 495fps, unless you , ahhh, legally own an air rifle that is over 500 fps, if you do it legally.

Gotcha.
Read the title of the thread. Looks like you and the other guy have egos so huge that you enjoy wasting your time trying to prove someone on the internet wrong, even when it's not relevant to the discussion. Get a life!
 

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Incorrect.

Be precise when you state so-called facts.

You can own much more powerful air rifles, but they are then classified differently as the ones below 500 fps.

One random example:


For over 500 fps you need a PAL to purchase.

Totally legal.
To be precise, the under 500 fps only applies to.177 cal pellets or BB's with a mass less than 8 grams.

The other limit is muzzle energy at 5.7 joules/ 4.2 ft lbs. So that means a .22 cal air rifle is limited to 375 fps with a 14 grain pellet.


When I was a kid, I just loved target shooting with an Anschutz precision target air rifle. I have to say that it was as gratifying as trap shooting except without the sore shoulder!

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One of these to the head is lethal. Do your homework gents. 8gr .68 cal projectile to the head is entering the brain. Check youtube.

 
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