Keto Diet

[Ref]

But sugar was clearly my main killer. Losing the weight I did from simply removing sugar showed me that.

How much weight did you lose just by removing sugar?

 

[Combat Shock]

Right about what? I'm not here saying go do Keto, I'm here asking about experiences with it. I can't be right unless I'm trying to prove a point.

Are you really clueless to what you said previously?
Why are you still quoting me?
Move on and read the rest of the discussion, everyone else said the same thing I did.
It's okay to admit you were wrong, you obviously don't have much knowledge on this subject and that's fine. Live and learn.

Have you personally done Keto? Because this forum is strictly for people who have experience with Keto. Unless you have physically have done Keto, I'm not really interested in what you have to say. I can honestly tell you that it has nothing to do with calories. On my first days of Keto I was eating high fat low carb and I lost 8 pounds. That's me eating as much as I want as long as it follows the guidelines it works.

That's what I was referring to previously if you couldn't figure it out.

 

[hoorawr]

Have you personally done Keto? Because this forum is strictly for people who have experience with Keto. Unless you have physically have done Keto, I'm not really interested in what you have to say. I can honestly tell you that it has nothing to do with calories. On my first days of Keto I was eating high fat low carb and I lost 8 pounds. That's me eating as much as I want as long as it follows the guidelines it works.

Lol.

You’re wrong.

It’s called the law of thermodynamics. If you eat more calories than your body needs, you will gain weight. It all ultimately comes down to the amount of calories you’re eating

You can’t out smart science girl. Stop being stubborn

 

[Belle De Jour]

Are you really clueless to what you said previously?
Why are you still quoting me?
Move on and read the rest of the discussion, everyone else said the same thing I did.
It's okay to admit you were wrong, you obviously don't have much knowledge on this subject and that's fine. Live and learn.



That's what I was referring to previously if you couldn't figure it out.

I'm "quoting you" because I'm responding directly to your comment. I'm not quoting you because you're saying something relevant or noteworthy. You clearly have an attitude problem. I'm not really interested in that either. Again, wasn't trying to be right about anything, I was simply sharing my experience on the Keto diet. Which once again, is what this forum is about. The KETO DIET.

Done talking to you now.

Thanks for coming out

 

[koreanjames]

How much weight did you lose just by removing sugar?

i've read that depending on your eating habits, by cutting out sugar you can cut 300-500 (keep in mine that sugar is heavily present in all sauces, juices etc etc) calories a day via being careful re cutting sugar.

500 calories is pretty much a single healthy meal - so by cutting sugar carefully depending on your eating habits, i would guesstimate your caloric intake would be up to a a meal less a day - and your body would have to adapt (lose weight) accordingly.

Stevia is an amazing natural substitute for sugar

yes, but in moderation imho.

 

[Jasmine Raine]

How much weight did you lose just by removing sugar?

With the sugar reduction, portion size and a couple of other little changes, about 30lbs.

 

[Belle De Jour]

Lol.

You’re wrong.

It’s called the law of thermodynamics. If you eat more calories than your body needs, you will gain weight. It all ultimately comes down to the amount of calories you’re eating

You can’t out smart science girl. Stop being stubborn

I'm not being stubborn. I have recently discussed this topic with a personal trainer who specified that people, in general, need to stop counting calories. That's your prerogative though. I'm not telling anyone they should or shouldn't count calories. I'm not really here to discuss calories though. Just talking about the Keto diet and here to listen to people who have done it and their experiences.

 

[malata]

I can honestly tell you that it has nothing to do with calories. On my first days of Keto I was eating high fat low carb and I lost 8 pounds. That's me eating as much as I want as long as it follows the guidelines it works.

Keto diet is similar to the Atkins diet, which focus on not eating foods high on carbs. I've tried the Atkins diet and it works. The longer you stay on it, the quicker you lose the pounds, my 8 pack never looked so good

you will find your energy level will be low, so learn to balance the good carbs with protein once you've achieved your desired weight

 

[hoorawr]

I'm not being stubborn. I have recently discussed this topic with a personal trainer who specified that people, in general, need to stop counting calories. That's your prerogative though. I'm not telling anyone they should or shouldn't count calories. I'm not really here to discuss calories though. Just talking about the Keto diet and here to listen to people who have done it and their experiences.

Again. Stop being stubborn because you and your personal trainer are both wrong.

 

[Belle De Jour]

Again. Stop being stubborn because you and your personal trainer are both wrong.

haha who's really being stubborn though? You're the one trying to prove I'm wrong. I'm trying to prove nothing. I said, you are free to believe whatever you believe.

 

[Belle De Jour]

Keto diet is similar to the Atkins diet, which focus on not eating foods high on carbs. I've tried the Atkins diet and it works. The longer you stay on it, the quicker you lose the pounds, my 8 pack never looked so good

you will find your energy level will be low, so learn to balance the good carbs with protein once you've achieved your desired weight

Yes, I've noticed that Keto is similar to Atkins, except Atkins is mostly about meat eating. Thankfully Keto is friendly for meat eaters, vegetarians and vegans. Also, love your avatar Cruel Intentions is one of my favourite movies

 

[hoorawr]

haha who's really being stubborn though? You're the one trying to prove I'm wrong. I'm trying to prove nothing. I said, you are free to believe whatever you believe.

Nobody here is trying to prove youre wrong. Science already did that for us.

Keto without calorie restriction won’t accomplish weight loss. But hey, if you like doing keto for fun then knock yourself out!

 

[Combat Shock]

A personal trainer qualification is obtained with a weekend course lol

 

[Frankfooter]

Lol.

You’re wrong.

It’s called the law of thermodynamics. If you eat more calories than your body needs, you will gain weight. It all ultimately comes down to the amount of calories you’re eating

You can’t out smart science girl. Stop being stubborn

Keto is based on science, you just don't understand it yet.
Carbs turn into fast sugars in your body, they are quick to digest and increase blood sugar.
High fat/low carbs makes you feel sated and you do not feel the need to eat as much.
On top of that, the high fats keep your blood sugar more consistent and you don't get as hungry as quickly.

So its not mandatory calorie reduction, its eating so that you feel that you don't need to eat so much.
In effect you will likely eat less because you aren't as hungry.

And whoever had kidney issues likely fucked up the diet and ate too much protein/meat and not enough vegetables.
Its not high protein, its high fat for a reason.

 

[squeezer]

Keto is based on science, you just don't understand it yet.
Carbs turn into fast sugars in your body, they are quick to digest and increase blood sugar.
High fat/low carbs makes you feel sated and you do not feel the need to eat as much.
On top of that, the high fats keep your blood sugar more consistent and you don't get as hungry as quickly.

So its not mandatory calorie reduction, its eating so that you feel that you don't need to eat so much.
In effect you will likely eat less because you aren't as hungry.

And whoever had kidney issues likely fucked up the diet and ate too much protein/meat and not enough vegetables.
Its not high protein, its high fat for a reason.

Correct in that the theory is the high fat will keep one satiated but and it's a big BUT, if you exceed your maintenance calories and go into a surplus you will not acheive weight loss regardless what diet you are using.

 

[hoorawr]

Correct in that the theory is the high fat will keep one satiated but and it's a big BUT, if you exceed your maintenance calories and go into a surplus you will not acheive weight loss regardless what diet you are using.

that's correct. caloric deficit is the overarching principle for weight loss

Keto is based on science, you just don't understand it yet.
Carbs turn into fast sugars in your body, they are quick to digest and increase blood sugar.
High fat/low carbs makes you feel sated and you do not feel the need to eat as much.
On top of that, the high fats keep your blood sugar more consistent and you don't get as hungry as quickly.

So its not mandatory calorie reduction, its eating so that you feel that you don't need to eat so much.
In effect you will likely eat less because you aren't as hungry.

And whoever had kidney issues likely fucked up the diet and ate too much protein/meat and not enough vegetables.
Its not high protein, its high fat for a reason.

i understand that in keto the body looks for fats to turn into energy.. so you don't need to eat carbs that cause blood sugar swings and cravings which cause people to crash and burn.

and that's great and all, but if you eat too much bacon, you're still getting fat.

 

[Frankfooter]

and that's great and all, but if you eat too much bacon, you're still getting fat.

Try it.
Try eating as much bacon as you want or as much pasta as you want.
Tell us which one you eat more of.

 

[Combat Shock]

Things we all have to agree on for this conversation to have any sense:
A Ketogenic diet works by putting the body in ketosis do to the absence of carbohydrates. Then we can discuss other benefits, pros and cons.
Calories are all the same and equal by definition, a calorie is just the unit of heat energy. One calorie is defined as the heat energy required to raise the temperature of one gram of water by one degree Celsius.
Regardless of the food source of your calories you have to be in a deficit to lose weight. This is not up to interpretation and is not a matter of opinions.
A good discussion would be calorie sources and the other attributes and roles they have in the body.

Furthermore..
Is cutting carbs in general enough for the average person to end up in caloric deficit and therefore lose weight? Sure.
Will they sustain a Ketogenic diet for the rest of their life? Most likely NOT.
Guess what happens when they reintroduce carbohydrates? The weight comes back. Is it because carbs are bad? NO ! It's because they put their body in survival mode, that's what ketosis is, and now the body will store even more fat as soon as it has the opportunity.

Let's talk science not personal opinions, this isn't like trying to decide what shoes look better on a person.

 

[squeezer]

Things we all have to agree on for this conversation to have any sense:
A Ketogenic diet works by putting the body in ketosis do to the absence of carbohydrates. Then we can discuss other benefits, pros and cons.
Calories are all the same and equal by definition, a calorie is just the unit of heat energy. One calorie is defined as the heat energy required to raise the temperature of one gram of water by one degree Celsius.
Regardless of the food source of your calories you have to be in a deficit to lose weight. This is not up to interpretation and is not a matter of opinions.
A good discussion would be calorie sources and the other attributes and roles they have in the body.

Furthermore..
Is cutting carbs in general enough for the average person to end up in caloric deficit and therefore lose weight? Sure.
Will they sustain a Ketogenic diet for the rest of their life? Most likely NOT.
Guess what happens when they reintroduce carbohydrates? The weight comes back. Is it because carbs are bad? NO ! It's because they put their body in survival mode, that's what ketosis is, and now the body will store even more fat as soon as it has the opportunity.

Let's talk science not personal opinions, this isn't like trying to decide what shoes look better on a person.

Exactly on all points.

 

[squeezer]

I dunno, logic and reason seldom work well here. I am hoping someone posts a rebuttal!

I'm sure someone will try just as some believe the world is flat.