Keto Diet

[Frankfooter]

Things we all have to agree on for this conversation to have any sense:
A Ketogenic diet works by putting the body in ketosis do to the absence of carbohydrates. Then we can discuss other benefits, pros and cons.
Calories are all the same and equal by definition, a calorie is just the unit of heat energy. One calorie is defined as the heat energy required to raise the temperature of one gram of water by one degree Celsius.
Regardless of the food source of your calories you have to be in a deficit to lose weight. This is not up to interpretation and is not a matter of opinions.
A good discussion would be calorie sources and the other attributes and roles they have in the body.

Furthermore..
Is cutting carbs in general enough for the average person to end up in caloric deficit and therefore lose weight? Sure.
Will they sustain a Ketogenic diet for the rest of their life? Most likely NOT.
Guess what happens when they reintroduce carbohydrates? The weight comes back. Is it because carbs are bad? NO ! It's because they put their body in survival mode, that's what ketosis is, and now the body will store even more fat as soon as it has the opportunity.

Let's talk science not personal opinions, this isn't like trying to decide what shoes look better on a person.

I know 3 people who have been told by their doctors to eat keto to stave off pre-diabetes symptoms and keep them from becoming diabetic.
They are all doing much better now.

Your focus on calories in misses the point and the mechanisms that make the keto diet work.
This page has a good explanation.
https://www.ruled.me/ketosis-ketones-and-how-it-works/

And yes, the keto diet is sustainable.

 

[Jasmine Raine]

Keto is based on science, you just don't understand it yet.
Carbs turn into fast sugars in your body, they are quick to digest and increase blood sugar.
High fat/low carbs makes you feel sated and you do not feel the need to eat as much.
On top of that, the high fats keep your blood sugar more consistent and you don't get as hungry as quickly.

So its not mandatory calorie reduction, its eating so that you feel that you don't need to eat so much.
In effect you will likely eat less because you aren't as hungry.

And whoever had kidney issues likely fucked up the diet and ate too much protein/meat and not enough vegetables.
Its not high protein, its high fat for a reason.

You just said it. It makes you feel full so you eat less. Isn't that calorie reduction?

 

[koreanjames]

You just said it. It makes you feel full so you eat less. Isn't that calorie reduction?

That could be a side effect from the keto diet - it all depends on how calorific dense the fats are vs the carbs.

 

[squeezer]

https://www.ruled.me/counting-calories-on-ketogenic-diet/

I know, they also don't know what they are talking about. LOL

If you want to lose weight be in a calorie deficit! Follow whatever diet allows you to achieve this in the least stressful manner, it's not rocket science but it is science!

 

[shakenbake]

https://www.ruled.me/counting-calories-on-ketogenic-diet/

I know, they also don't know what they are talking about. LOL

If you want to lose weight be in a calorie deficit! Follow whatever diet allows you to achieve this in the least stressful manner, it's not rocket science but it is science!

Excellent article.

 

[Elle@TDL]

Keto without calorie restriction is impossible to loose weight???? Lol Jesus I really need to get my textbooks out and just screen shot them.....I am a National bikini competitor and don't count my calories and I eat approximately 250 grams of fat a day...don't know how many calories.... And trust me....I am very lean and loose weight just fine...I think unless you are educated in dietetics and nutrition no one should have anything to say..I keep reading such awful and uneducated information both for and against this diet...it's ridiculous...if anyone wants to know what it really is about I'd be happy to inbox you some legit info from the school of Dietetics of Canada...and the fact that I am living proof of my information!

 

[doggystyle99]

If you want to lose weight the first thing you need to understand is that your daily calorie intake needs to be lower than your daily calorie burn, regardless if it's the Keto diet or some other type of diet. Anyone who tells you otherwise is out to lunch so stop taking their advice.

Also you can not eat as much as you want to and still lose weight.

 

[Frankfooter]

You just said it. It makes you feel full so you eat less. Isn't that calorie reduction?

Its different only in that its not imposed calorie reduction.
You don't need to consciously eat less, but if you follow the diet you will likely end up eating less.

So its a way of eating that's not based on depriving you of calories, only carbs.
And once you're off them its pretty easy to stay off them.

 

[Twister]

Keto without calorie restriction is impossible to loose weight???? Lol Jesus I really need to get my textbooks out and just screen shot them.....I am a National bikini competitor and don't count my calories and I eat approximately 250 grams of fat a day...don't know how many calories.... And trust me....I am very lean and loose weight just fine...I think unless you are educated in dietetics and nutrition no one should have anything to say..I keep reading such awful and uneducated information both for and against this diet...it's ridiculous...if anyone wants to know what it really is about I'd be happy to inbox you some legit info from the school of Dietetics of Canada...and the fact that I am living proof of my information!

You can post the links here. I would like to see them. Thank you

 

[Frankfooter]

Here's a good explanation of how LCHF (low carbs, high fat - or keto) diet works.

The hypothesis underlying LCHF thinking is that obesity is not caused by overeating – not calories in minus calories out – but by hormonal/regulatory phenomena triggered by easily digestible carbohydrates and sugars. By this logic, carbohydrates are uniquely fattening because they elevate levels of the hormone insulin, and insulin signals our bodies to store fat while inhibiting the use of fat for fuel. Carbohydrates literally make us fatter, and that makes us want to eat them to excess.

Hence, for a diet to successfully prevent or reverse obesity, it has to reduce insulin levels and so restrict these foods specifically. To fix any unresolved problem, let alone end an epidemic, the essential step is to correctly identify and remove the cause. And because obesity and the common form of diabetes, type 2, are so closely associated, carbohydrates are also the likely cause of diabetes. It's a simple hypothesis with a long history. Considerable textbook science supports it. But it has never been rigorously tested.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opi...dible-results-but-no-science/article37402123/

From the same article:

In October, the Huffington Post published a letter signed by more than 100 Canadian physicians, publicly acknowledging that this is how they eat and the dietary approach they prescribe to patients. "What we see in our clinics," they wrote: "Blood sugar values go down, blood pressure drops, chronic pain decreases or disappears, lipid profiles improve, inflammatory markers improve, energy increases, weight decreases, sleep is improved, IBS symptoms are lessened, etc. Medication is adjusted downward, or even eliminated, which reduces the side effects for patients and the costs to society. The results we achieve with our patients are impressive and durable."

Its not about calories in/out.

 

[Combat Shock]

Keto without calorie restriction is impossible to loose weight????

YES, that is correct. You can even gain weight on Keto, like any another diet.

I am a National bikini competitor and don't count my calories and I eat approximately 250 grams of fat a day...don't know how many calories.... And trust me....I am very lean and loose weight just fine.

Regardless of the fact that you might not know or track calories you only lose weight when you're in a caloric deficit.
You definitely adjust your diet prepping for a show and add more cardio, that in itself is part of the calories in and calories out.

We'll skip the "supplements" used in the fitness industry.

 

[Frankfooter]

that in itself is part of the calories in and calories out.

Again, the basis of your arguments does not address the way keto works.

The hypothesis underlying LCHF thinking is that obesity is not caused by overeating – not calories in minus calories out – but by hormonal/regulatory phenomena triggered by easily digestible carbohydrates and sugars.

 

[doggystyle99]

Here's a good explanation of how LCHF (low carbs, high fat - or keto) diet works.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opi...dible-results-but-no-science/article37402123/

From the same article:

Its not about calories in/out.

There is no way anyone can loose weight without having a lower calorie intake than the calorie output. Whether you think it's possible or not is irrelevant as science says the following:

The first law of thermodynamics states that change in weight equals caloric intake minus caloric output. Caloric intake is the number of calories you eat and drink each day, and caloric output is your resting metabolic rate plus any physical activity expenditure. If caloric intake exceeds caloric output, then the excess calories are deposited as fat in your body, and body weight increases. If caloric intake is less than caloric output, then your body fat stores supply the necessary calories and weight loss ensues. Reducing caloric intake has been shown to be more efficient than just simply increasing exercise to induce weight loss.

 

[Ref]

With the sugar reduction, portion size and a couple of other little changes, about 30lbs.

Interesting. Congrats by the way.

 

[Jasmine Raine]

Interesting. Congrats by the way.

Thanks!

Although sometimes when I think about it, it makes me feel a bit sick. All that weight mainly from sugar!

It is no wonder so many are trying to fight obesity by going after soda companies etc.

 

[Combat Shock]

Again, the basis of your arguments does not address the way keto works.

The hypothesis underlying LCHF thinking is that obesity is not caused by overeating – not calories in minus calories out – but by hormonal/regulatory phenomena triggered by easily digestible carbohydrates and sugars.

Yes it does, you're obviously fixated on this Hypothesis of yours.
You can regulate all your hormones with whatever diet you're on, even Keto, but losing and gaining weight is all about calories.
You're delusional if you think otherwise.

 

[Frankfooter]

Yes it does, you're obviously fixated on this Hypothesis of yours.
You can regulate all your hormones with whatever diet you're on, even Keto, but losing and gaining weight is all about calories.
You're delusional if you think otherwise.

Its biology, combat shock, not addition/subtraction.

Eat carbs and it produces the fat storing hormone, insulin.
Without excess insulin your body doesn't store fat.

You can gain weight on keto, but its hard and you have to either cheat or try really hard.
I wonder if you'll ever get the point about insulin and carbs.

 

[squeezer]

Its biology, combat shock, not addition/subtraction.

Eat carbs and it produces the fat storing hormone, insulin.
Without excess insulin your body doesn't store fat.

You can gain weight on keto, but its hard and you have to either cheat or try really hard.
I wonder if you'll ever get the point about insulin and carbs.

if your maintenance is 2000 calories a day. One can easily take in 2500 calories on a strict Keto diet as fat carries 9 calories for every gram of fat as opposed to 4 calories for every gram of protein and carbs.

If you have been sitting behind a desk all day, then go home and watch tv on the couch, do you agree this scenario will cause weight gain even on a keto diet??

 

[Frankfooter]

if your maintenance is 2000 calories a day. One can easily take in 2500 calories on a strict Keto diet as fat carries 9 calories for every gram of fat as opposed to 4 calories for every gram of protein and carbs.

If you have been sitting behind a desk all day, then go home and watch tv on the couch, do you agree this scenario will cause weight gain even on a keto diet??

Likely you will still lose weight eating 2500 calories.

Anecdotal story about someone eating 5800 calories a day over three weeks and gaining 3.5 lbs.
(for what its worth)
https://www.dietdoctor.com/what-happens-if-you-eat-5800-calories-daily-on-an-lchf-diet

 

[squeezer]

Likely you will still lose weight eating 2500 calories.

Anecdotal story about someone eating 5800 calories a day over three weeks and gaining 3.5 lbs.
(for what its worth)
https://www.dietdoctor.com/what-happens-if-you-eat-5800-calories-daily-on-an-lchf-diet

The correct answer is if you eat 500 calories over your maintenance void of any excercise for 7 days straight regardless of keto, Atkins, eating every 2 hours, intermittent fasting, it doesn't matter because you have effectively gained 1lb. of fat!