Kanye West

[Meister]

To some degree childwild has a point. How is it that some black kid (or any kid for that matter) with zero training or understanding in music can top musical charts?

I call rap "telling a story with some background music", you can't really call it singing because the pitch has nothing to do with the music and only sometimes follows the beat. I even think that you could substitute one background music for another and it would still work. There is nothing wrong with that, but I would not call those guys musicians.

However, I am surprised at the staying power of rap. I think it has more to do with the in your face attitude that attracts the fans. It's also suitable for boomer cars with their slow loud base.

Personally, I get bored with the slow beat quickly.

 

[Scorpion King]

20 sum years later its boring watered down bad lyrics, by a bunch of wannabee's who want you to believe its about struggle/bitches/keeping your hoe in line..lol and you have the nerve to call me racist...give your head a shake clown...

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Jesus Walks is a masterpiece. Nothing watered down or boring there!

You may be correct in many of your points (the quality of the 'music' and lyrics), but I think your generalizations are what's getting you into trouble here...

SK.

 

[ham2004]

Copywrite Infringement

Tina did you get permission or did you just decide to break every copywright infringement in the book when you publish the lyrics of that song...

 

[Tina_Ballerina]

Tina did you get permission or did you just decide to break every copywright infringement in the book when you publish the lyrics of that song...

mmmm......shhhhhhh

 

[childwild]

Jesus Walks is a masterpiece. Nothing watered down or boring there! .

Materpiece wtf some guy TALKING, borrowing stuff from the bible and Wyclif Jean, fuck man Kanye like Eminem don't know the first thing about hardship...Scorpion thats wool covering your eyes

You may be correct in many of your points (the quality of the 'music' and lyrics), but I think your generalizations are what's getting you into trouble here...

SK.

Trouble?...hardly

True story, my daughter had friends over in the basement listening to *music 5 girls and two guys all 10 and 11 years old, my S/O was monitoring them with one ear and was shocked to hear them fast forwarding rap songs going "Hey listen this is where he says Niggaz" and "shhhh he calls her a Hoe here"...kinda sad to realize these kids today buy and support the Kanye's and Eminem's for the sheer shock value
At 10 and 11 my older brother was making me listen to Jimi Hendrixs and Eddie Van Halen and Earth Wind and Fire my shock was how talented they all were

 

[franky66]

Kanye has no talent, no rap artist has talent...the talent lyes in the poor sound engineer who has to loop all those computer generated annoying sounds into something..as far as the lyrics, it reads like something Dr.Suess's publisher would have tossed in the trash can.

Hopefully rap is on its last legs, middle/upper class white suburban kids are to blame for it lasting this long, they buy this shit so it keeps getting pumped out and it really all starts to sound the same....Kanye was on Oprah last week or so, and tried to sing, wow what a surprise he could not hold a note..the tone deaf fraud..

I see very little differece between guys like Kanye and a Milli Vanilli..in the sense that go to any rap show and they rap/talk in small sections to a tape

Can you name one hard rocker who put out music as relevant as that of Pubic Enemy who were...ummm....rappers.

PS: Kanye is a rapper, not a singer

No one in Guns N Roses are singers either. Bryan Adams cant sing either unless you call screaming out while executing a number 2 singing! You want a singer? Go check Aretha!

 

[franky66]

To some degree childwild has a point. How is it that some black kid (or any kid for that matter) with zero training or understanding in music can top musical charts?

I call rap "telling a story with some background music", you can't really call it singing because the pitch has nothing to do with the music and only sometimes follows the beat. I even think that you could substitute one background music for another and it would still work. There is nothing wrong with that, but I would not call those guys musicians.

However, I am surprised at the staying power of rap. I think it has more to do with the in your face attitude that attracts the fans. It's also suitable for boomer cars with their slow loud base.

Personally, I get bored with the slow beat quickly.

WOW, what does being black have to with anything????? Why didnt you just say how could any kid. Why does colour have to play a part?

You dont have to be surprised at the staying power of rap music. There is a reason why it is still around. I am glad it is still here. Well, the concious type anyway which is the one I really like.

I would rather hear what Public Enemy has to say than to have to sit through some metal song

 

[rogerstaubach]

Can you name one hard rocker who put out music as relevant as that of Pubic Enemy who were...ummm....rappers.

PS: Kanye is a rapper, not a singer

No one in Guns N Roses are singers either. Bryan Adams cant sing either unless you call screaming out while executing a number 2 singing! You want a singer? Go check Aretha!

Jimi Hendrix, In Living Color, Lenny kravitz, Rolling Stones...the list is endless.

 

[franky66]

BTW Meister and Childwild. No black(real rock &roll and blues) music..No Elvis.

Just thank your lucky stars men like Chuck Berry had their 'black' experiences so that Elvis could 'take' from it.

 

[franky66]

Jimi Hendrix, In Living Color, Lenny kravitz, Rolling Stones...the list is endless.

What did they sing that was half as relevant as Public Enemy? Please list their songs.

ROLLING STONES?????

LOL

Oh my lord! I said relevant not endearing to YOU.

 

[childwild]

No idea what your trying to get at Franky...tons of music was just as reveleant as Public Enemy..white/black artists Marvin Gaye/John Lennon

My post said PE was good because it was new fresh eye opening, but Kanye and Eminem etc doing the same thing 20 years later is boring

 

[rogerstaubach]

What did they sing that was half as relevant as Public Enemy? Please list their songs.

ROLLING STONES?????

LOL

Oh my lord! I said relevant not endearing to YOU.

Relevant is relative.

 

[franky66]

No idea what your trying to get at Franky...tons of music was just as reveleant as Public Enemy..white/black artists Marvin Gaye/John Lennon

My post said PE was good because it was new fresh eye opening, but Kanye and Eminem etc doing the same thing 20 years later is boring

What planet are you on? Eminem's music is NOTHING like Public Enemy's!

Ummm, Bob Marley, Bob Dylan the list could go on. However, are they rappers?

You made a statement about rappers and that is why I brought up Public Enemy.

I remember when alot of idiots were throwing around the gangsta rapper label and they attached it to Public Enemy who were concious rappers who were NOT into gangsta talk. It just goes to show how people like to talk about things they know nothing about.

 

[franky66]

Relevant is relative.

mony mony isnt relevant to the world as say get up stand up by the Wailers!

relative? of course it is relative. I guess spice girls were more relevant than Bob Marley to my little 9 year old cousin but I am sure you know what i am talking about.

 

[rogerstaubach]

What planet are you on? Eminem's music is NOTHING like Public Enemy's!

Ummm, Bob Marley, Bob Dylan the list could go on. However, are they rappers?

You made a statement about rappers and that is why I brought up Public Enemy.

I remember when alot of idiots were throwing around the gangsta rapper label and they attached it to Public Enemy who were concious rappers who were NOT into gangsta talk. It just goes to show how people like to talk about things they know nothing about.

Tread carefully Childwild.

 

[childwild]

What planet are you on? Eminem's music is NOTHING like Public Enemy's!

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..slow down read the posts first Franky

 

[franky66]

Tread carefully Childwild.

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

 

[benn]

You know dick all, I am of a black background and in the music industry, my opinon comes from experience not racism.

Right, so is Peter Griffin....Downloading music for your IPod doesn't make you a producer

or know that Earth Wind and Fire did not need computers to generate music for them...they could play these things called instruments, ever hear of them?

Then you must be truly an ignorant fool, for Criticizing Kanye West. He uses Piano instruments, drums, guitars you know musical instruments towards his songs and songs he produce.

 

[benn]

My post said PE was good because it was new fresh eye opening, but Kanye and Eminem etc doing the same thing 20 years later is boring

Are you really sure, you even know Public Enemy can you even name their members without researching it?
Eminem has same music style as public enemy? are you kidding me
there is no similarity about there music whatsoever.

Kanye is not recyling Public Enemy's music, if you can make a song comparison to prove your point I would gladly listen, otherwise just be quiet

 

[childwild]

Right, so is Peter Griffin....Downloading music for your IPod doesn't make you a producer.

Peter Griffin related to Proff Griff? hmm maybe your on to something..Whats an IPOD and never said I was a producer.

Then you must be truly an ignorant fool, for Criticizing Kanye West. He uses Piano instruments, drums, guitars you know musical instruments towards his songs and songs he produce.

He hires someone to play them for him on a few tracks rest is comp generated shit,have yet to hear a REAL gtr or drum sound on a Kayne track, give me a song title to listen to that has REAL gtr and drums on it.

Are you really sure, you even know Public Enemy can you even name their members without researching it?

Chuck D, TerminatorX, Proff Griff, Flavor Flav but you would just accuse me of looking it up

Eminem has same music style as public enemy? are you kidding me there is no similarity about there music whatsoever.

In the sense that Eminem wants you to believe he struggled in life, but he is white and had opportunity so it just comes across as a whine to me. PE's was agressive, eye opening made ya think, there is a realness to it.

Kanye is not recyling Public Enemy's music, if you can make a song comparison to prove your point I would gladly listen, otherwise just be quiet

Kayne and most other rap artists are recyling the same shit to many songs out there to compare