Yeah but can he be proud of it? What the hell did he do to deserve that ring? He missed almost 130 games(was mostly used as a sub), batted less than 220 and played in zero playoff games. When he plays, the White sox have nothing to show for it. When he is out, the White Sox wins the world series. Now that he is near 40, injury is a serious concern as well as potential decline in production. Don't forget that the penalty for steroids are stiffer now...UMustang said:
Jays on verge of Frank Thomas signing
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I for one see this Thomas thing having a possible "Windfield" type effect from 92. There are many question marks regarding the Big Hurt.
- Will he produce?
- Will he stay healthy?
- Will he display the much needed all-star veteran respect and leadership?
- Will he get along with everyone? Managers, players...ect...
I'm sure Thomas could have gotten the same money in another city, but he decided on Toronto. If all goes well, this could be the one thing that might keep Wells here. As for Rogers, he needs to spend some of that Skydome money he saved and take this city over the top. There is fan interest still (lucky for the Jays) and fan/player PR, with some big market names might do this thing right at last.
- Will he produce?
- Will he stay healthy?
- Will he display the much needed all-star veteran respect and leadership?
- Will he get along with everyone? Managers, players...ect...
I'm sure Thomas could have gotten the same money in another city, but he decided on Toronto. If all goes well, this could be the one thing that might keep Wells here. As for Rogers, he needs to spend some of that Skydome money he saved and take this city over the top. There is fan interest still (lucky for the Jays) and fan/player PR, with some big market names might do this thing right at last.
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Choron said:
I think you meant the Sox and Yankees.
I think the Jays have a better 1, 2, 3 as is right now imho. Remember Choron.....Chacín...
, had an off year and will be much better.So what if he missed 130 games and got a ring, he was a career white sox and has a hall of came career..then you pretty much implying that any players teams acquire in a trade during mid season doesn't deserve to get a ring. He won 2 MVP might be 3, just can't recall at this time. Do you know for a fact that he took steroids or he ever did steriods, during baseball steriod era his numbers didn't change, he was always imposing and he was just consistent throughout his careerkirmit129 said:
Um, Thomas has always been a big boy, even when he broke into the big leagues. If he was on the juice I would thinkkirmit129 said:
a) the nature of his injuries would be different (he was sidelined with an ankle injury, which I don't think is typical of steroid users)
b) would have been injured earlier in his career (since he's always been that big)
c) would likely have decreased his size because of stiffer steroid penalties (would likely come off the juice)
I think I prefer the brunette. Up close she has softer and prettier facial features than the blonde (and I think her hair is fake).PHNINE said:
Oh, baseball. Granted, this signing is a bit of a puzzler, but looking at the puzzle analogy I think it's hard to judge this move until we see the whole picture that JP puts together. He obviously (hopefully) has other moves planned that work in conjunction with this move. Right now he's improved the DH. It looks like he'll let the Cat walk and use Reed Johnson as full time LF. I think they want to resign Lily which gives them a better rotation than anyone in the East. The wild card is Wells. Again, I think both sides want to make a deal. It depends how much Ted wants to free up, but remember, he needs to free it up for the following season, not this year as Wells is already signed.
I highly doubt JP will let Wells walk away at the end of the season for nothing. (Mind you, it scares me a bit and did anyone else notice in all the Jays ads for season tickets there are no pictures of Wells.) So the plan may also be to strengthen the team elsewhere by trading Wells.
But if they manage to sign Lily and keep Wells you have the best starting rotation in the East and then Johnson and Hill setting the table for Wells, Thomas, Glaus, Overbay and Rios or hit Rios second and move Hill down. That only leaves the 8 and 9 hitters, catcher and SS, which are traditionally defence first positions. With those first 7 in the order they don't need much of an upgrade in offense for 8 and 9 and can live with good defence there.
As I said it's too early in the game to judge this one move at face value. We've got to see the whole package.
First of all, players that are acquired in a trade are there to help a team either maintain or get a postseason spot. Frank Thomas mostly entered games as a pinch hitter and he was unavailable the last 2 months of the season or so. He was not even in the post season roster. He can be proud of the White Sox but how can he be proud of his ring? Same thing for Nomar. How can he be proud of his ring?benn said:
If you are using players stats and MVPs, then if the Giants win the world series after Bond leaves, Barry should get a ring and declare himself a World Series champion. It just does not make sense.
As for the steroid thing, I'm not implyibg that he took steroids. I'm just saying that players who hit 40 are known to have production decline. Manny compensate by using steroids. I was just saying that the penalty would be more harsh on Thomas if he ever decides to take steroids to maintain his performance level.
I definitely prefer the brunnette. She is more personable then the blonde is in terms of interacting with the fans.shack said:
It will be interesting who they decide to get to fill the catcher spot along with short stop. You're right there is no need for offence at the 8-9 spot, and it should be pretty easy to get decent defensive players to fill those positions. I don't know much about our minor league teams, but I am sure some of the rookies we saw last season could be called up. I was also wondering if Zaun is coming back next year? I always liked him as a player, and he does manage to come up with some pretty big hits sometimes. All I know is that JP is going to make some pretty interesting moves over the next few months, and I do trust him as a GM. The best part about all of this is that we are talking baseball in the middle of November when training camp is months away. Gotta love thatg baseball...
9.12 million dollar signing bonus, his salary is 1 million for the upcoming season and 8 million for the 2nd season...odd structure
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Also worth mentioning, Thomas has a 305 career BA, and there is a 1050 combined 2 year AB clause for the 3rd year option. So the Jays must feel good about his health.
Let's hope he starts parking those front leg, off balance moonshot dingers again and just relax here in Toronto where he can just play the game. He'll like it here. No pressure, and he will be a very, very big superstar in this city. No pun intended.
It's funny how he needed 9 million upfront. I guess those were the final details to be worked out.
Let's hope he starts parking those front leg, off balance moonshot dingers again and just relax here in Toronto where he can just play the game. He'll like it here. No pressure, and he will be a very, very big superstar in this city. No pun intended.
It's funny how he needed 9 million upfront. I guess those were the final details to be worked out.
When did he ever have pressure? He's played for the White Sox and A's. Hardly teams where you are under the microscope.
I'm not sure how much he has left but 2yr/20mil isn't too terrible. A lot of mony for an old DH but at least the Jays are trying to improve upon a relatively decent year.
I just hope the rumors that he can be a bit of a negative clubhouse attitude is overblown.
I'm not sure how much he has left but 2yr/20mil isn't too terrible. A lot of mony for an old DH but at least the Jays are trying to improve upon a relatively decent year.
I just hope the rumors that he can be a bit of a negative clubhouse attitude is overblown.
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If you consider the fact that Thomas won back to back AL MVP awards in 93 and 94, in Chicago of all places...I think that right there is pressure from the fans and media to duplicate those feats. Chicago is a very big baseball city and market imho. 2 teams, a rich and deep history..the Cubs..the drought..the Black Sox..ect...ect..Chi town is a baseball town no doubt.Don said:
In Oakland...he made $500,00.00 in 2006. There is no pressure making so little no matter which way we slice it. And he was an Athletic for only 1 year.
Toronto won't expect anything from him in those high demanding Chi town regards while he gets the big bucks again. This is assuming he meets his min AB requirments for the 3rd year option.
I would like to point out New york Mets will be paying Moises Alou $8mil this coming season and he is older than Thomas and has been injury prone his entire career so if you look at it in perspective jays didn't really over pay Thomas comparing their numbers last season
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-angels-speier&prov=ap&type=lgnsteassoc said:Speier and Catalanotto have signed with other teams.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=rotowire-rankatalanottoookspw&prov=rotowire&type=fantasy
So, you either have to have the biggest or the smallest payroll?guyroch said:
That doesn't really make any sense.
Surely, the thing to do is spend if you're close.
The Jays finished second in the East last year. By any reasonable reckoning, that's close.
