I am currently in the States. I hear American commentators still saying the Jays are loaded with talent. Maybe they haven't been watching closely or we are hyper critical. But the fact is we are and we deserve to be in last place in the AL East and 3.5 games out of the lowest wc spot
Jays 2023
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The Blue Jays have made the playoffs 6 times clean since 1977, and the one in 2020 was in a very unorthodox shortened pandemic season where they were undeservedly granted a playoff birth, being they were only four games above 500.. They have also made two additional postseason appearances by way of the wildcard. So in total, the Blue Jays have made the postseason eight times since 1977.
Last year's team won 92 games. That's WITH the dancing and the jacket. I mean we can break down statistics and say this and that tit for tat, but the bottom line is last year's team was a winning team. I personally, miss the character it had as well. Latino Bluejay flavour is a beautiful thing for me lol. Why on earth did Ross Atkins gain so much support as he dismantled key components of that team? I'm surprised not more of a big deal is made out of this. Logically it's like what the fuck? I thought all him and Shapiro have ever done is work on number crunching for budget wise team salaries. Has this duo ever won a World Series? One could argue about Pat Gillick trading away Fred McGriff and Tony Fernandez, for Joe Carter and Roberto Alamar after the teams success in 1989 (even though a powerhouse Athletics team made mincemeat out of them in the ALCS).... but after 1990 when they finished two games behind the Red Sox who won the division that year, it was clear that a change was needed. And the trade itself was very apparent in being balanced, in both conversation and on paper.
I just don't know WTF Atkins is doing. I never quite understood what he was doing. I like the Chris Bassitt and Kiermaier signings though. In my mind, everything else has been a head scratching circus show.
Philip
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I thought the Varsho trade was recklessly incompetent but I trusted mnagement knew
more than I possibly could and saw a star in Varsho but I was wrong
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Anthony Bass making a pucurone of himself aside, what happened in the rubber match between the Twins was fascinating.
BoBoChette and Vlady finally mended fences. Bo has an ulterior motive for doing this, if Vlady doesn't get out of his funk, opposing pitchers will start intentionally walking him. His chances of surpassing Vernon Wells in hits gets cut down. What's fascinating about this, the rift started over Bo wanting to get rid of the hr jacket, Vlady wanting to keep it. Vladdy is a gregarious type of player, he wants people to like him, the fact that Bo was giving him the silent treatment started to affect his batting. Bo couldn't care less about being liked as long as he's respected. The rapprochement worked, Vladdy went 3-5 in G1 against the Brewers. Time for him to start driving the ball, the ginging types on this thread (who want him traded) are insane.
One more thing, I would have kept Rowdy Tellez.
BoBoChette and Vlady finally mended fences. Bo has an ulterior motive for doing this, if Vlady doesn't get out of his funk, opposing pitchers will start intentionally walking him. His chances of surpassing Vernon Wells in hits gets cut down. What's fascinating about this, the rift started over Bo wanting to get rid of the hr jacket, Vlady wanting to keep it. Vladdy is a gregarious type of player, he wants people to like him, the fact that Bo was giving him the silent treatment started to affect his batting. Bo couldn't care less about being liked as long as he's respected. The rapprochement worked, Vladdy went 3-5 in G1 against the Brewers. Time for him to start driving the ball, the ginging types on this thread (who want him traded) are insane.
One more thing, I would have kept Rowdy Tellez.
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Omfg
Why were so many geared up on this team to win? How many publications chose them to go to the World Series? I must admit, I caught the bug a few times myself.
....but then, when I come back to a down to earth, I always think to myself why did they trade Teoscar.... because he had ONE year left on his contract? But then they sign Belt for one year? Why does that feel so bonehead to me? They couldn't sign and platoon Kiermaier? Was it really going to kill them to let Hernandez play 20 to 40 games in the outfield?
Anyways, this is driving me crazy.
Philip
Berrios is quietly back to the being the ace we expected in last 6 starts
and Pearson looks to be doing same as
he has a 1.69 ERA in 16 innings with a solid 28.1% strikeout rate.
Still, we have had no starters go down and no top relievers go down
which will happen and when pitchers go down to injury we have no back up
Hitting homers with RISP is Vlads job not Belts and Vlad is on his way to a 20 homer season
Belt is hitting well right now after bad start and he is a lefty so he is in
number 4 until someone takes over
and Pearson looks to be doing same as
he has a 1.69 ERA in 16 innings with a solid 28.1% strikeout rate.
Still, we have had no starters go down and no top relievers go down
which will happen and when pitchers go down to injury we have no back up
Hitting homers with RISP is Vlads job not Belts and Vlad is on his way to a 20 homer season
Belt is hitting well right now after bad start and he is a lefty so he is in
number 4 until someone takes over
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Vlad projects to less than 20 unless a practise pitcher is brought in to pitch to him
when was the last time he hit a homer off a real pitcher?
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Lol I know that. I'm talking about signings and trades and questionable manoeuvring.
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..... another annoying thing. Jose Bautista hits 54 home runs in front of 10,000 fans during home games in 2010.
The 2023 Blue Jays have sell out crowds of 40,000+ on various weeknights., and these bums can't take the damn bat off their shoulders.
What a waste of such good home attendance.
The 2023 Blue Jays have sell out crowds of 40,000+ on various weeknights., and these bums can't take the damn bat off their shoulders.
What a waste of such good home attendance.
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I am buckled with many on this lol. With all due respect, I don't agree with this point. This just falls right into my Ross Atkins horseshit that we all bought into. I don't feel like they handled Teo properly. Poor guy can't even get 15 million from the Mariners without being dragged into arbitration. He produced as a Bluejay. He was a gel for the team in a lot of ways. He can't even get 15 million from the Mariners,. I bet you he would've signed for 20 million per season over 5.
I will go back-and-forth on this point that I don't even have the energy lol all the theories of all what and why, don't mean anything to me when you see the win/loss column this year.
Philip
A problem that will happen is our pitching depth when injuries occur
Our starters are pitching well dispite Manoah failing miserably
with Berrios now pitching like an ace
but we have no one to replace injuries when they happen and it does not not like
our lineup will outscore teams in a shootout
This is evident because they cannot send Manoah down
for a few games where he can experiment without pressue
because we have no one to replace him
WE ARE THE ONLY TEAM TO HAVE USED ONLY 5 STARTERS and this will not continue
Bad foresight by management
Our starters are pitching well dispite Manoah failing miserably
with Berrios now pitching like an ace
but we have no one to replace injuries when they happen and it does not not like
our lineup will outscore teams in a shootout
This is evident because they cannot send Manoah down
for a few games where he can experiment without pressue
because we have no one to replace him
WE ARE THE ONLY TEAM TO HAVE USED ONLY 5 STARTERS and this will not continue
Bad foresight by management
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Have you seen Manoah footage from 4 years ago? Damn the guy packed on some weight since then. And then you add the pitch clock into the mix, and im sure this is a conditioning thing,
He has taken a stand previously on both him and Kirk being Big, Bold and Beautiful (which essentially is a beautiful thing to do) but this is the result of that.
Philip
Vlady is useless, trade him to the SF Giants for Michael Conforto...then Bolton will be happy. Pearson threw a perfect pitch for the SO, then gives up a hr.
MLB Network still loves him.
MLB Network still loves him.
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