Israel at war
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Israel could have had all the hostages returned 8 months ago but even today they choose to kill more instead.
They used aid trucks, which is like the accusation that Hamas was using hospitals.
They used US and UK help, which actively includes them in genocide.
And they deliberately killed civilians.
Israel wants to turn the entire world into a police state to defend their genocide now.
They used aid trucks, which is like the accusation that Hamas was using hospitals.
They used US and UK help, which actively includes them in genocide.
And they deliberately killed civilians.
Israel wants to turn the entire world into a police state to defend their genocide now.
And still the genocide through starvation continues.
UN: Israel-caused Famine to encompass all Gaza by July, killing as many as 19,800 a Month
www.wfp.org
UN: Israel-caused Famine to encompass all Gaza by July, killing as many as 19,800 a Month
Gaza updates: WFP calls for access as UN Hunger Hotspots report highlights global crises | World Food Programme
World Food Programme urges Israeli authorities to ease the flow of aid to people in desperate need
www.wfp.org
And most of the hostages would have returned without massacring Palestinian civilians if it hadn’t vetoed its own peace plan last week. POS Nation is nothing more than a homicidal and racist shamble.
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Only a terrorist state would be attacking the UN.
Only a terrorist state would kill this many children.
Voting is about influencing who gets in power.
When there are only two results possible, everything you do is a choice about which of those outcomes you prefer.
That it might also provide some additional information is an add on effect. (And, again, one that is handled badly by plurality voting.)
There are LOTS of reasons I harp on about better voting systems and one is that I want people to have more meaningful choices.
This is an incredibly bad way to look at voting in a system where doing so results in worse outcomes.
Voting is a method to determine government, not a plebiscite about the sentiment of the people.
That people still believe that voting is supposed to be about your personal feelings about your vote is a pernicious myth and the quicker people can be disabused of this notion the better.
Not at all.
It hurts whoever of the two you would vote for if forced to choose.
Now, if what you are saying is that in a normal situation between Trump and Biden, you would choose Trump then yes, your choice to vote for West hurts Trump.
But the real issue isn't "who does it hurt". It is "which outcome do you prefer"?
If your preferred outcome is Trump over Biden, then voting for West hurts Trump. If your preferred outcome is Biden over Trump, then voting for West hurts Biden.
The important part is that voting for West hurts you because it makes your preferred outcome less likely.
And produce an outcome.
Now, if you truly believe there is absolutely no difference between Trump and Biden on Palestine, then your vote is rational.
If, however, you believe there is (even if both are bad), then you have made the situation worse because instead of putting the person in who gives you a result you prefer, you deprived them of your vote.
And that is, of course, an assumption that you have no preferences in any other way between the two people who might win.
If you have any other preferences between the two, then you have the same dilemma, even if you think they are exactly equal in all ways on the issue of Palestine.
EXACTLY!
As I said above. "Voting your conscience" is detrimental for you.
This is key to why plurality voting is so reviled.
The only benefit it gives is you being able to say "I voted my conscience" while it actively contributes to making the situation you had a conscience about worse.
(Now yes, there is an argument that it is a long-term strategy. Making the situation worse will cause enough people to suffer that eventually someone will do the right thing about it. I don't think that's a good argument, but it is at least one that doesn't pretend the system is something other than it is.)
See above.
This is entirely the wrong way to think about voting, especially in a plurality winner system.
That isn't case closed at all and you know it.
You are absolutely interpreting things.
No, I'm not.
Look.
This is easy to settle.
Show the whole clip.
I think it is very likely he said something every bit as genocidal as you say.
But no one should take an edited clip on the internet without skepticism.
Trump is likely to be elected without the majority of Americans voting for him, just like last time.
Oh Butler.
You aren't silly enough to think this is how I would try to persuade voters do you?
This is TERB where none of you vote.
LOL!
That's a new version of the "We just need to beat them until they accept my point of view" approach you prefer.
Nice.
Glad you posted his. Now we can identify the officer.
The latest from POS Nation. Is anyone surprised?
Genocide has many costs
www.ynetnews.com
The countries, companies boycotting Israel and the damage caused
Analysis: Following months of mostly empty threats, companies sever ties with Israeli firms due to the war in Gaza, often because of pro-Palestinian college demonstrators exerting enormous pressure to end all financial interaction with Israel
www.ynetnews.com
