Now you know why the truism “Every accusation by a Zionist is a confession “ is used
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Indeed.
Didn't expect you to come out as pro-Trump, but here we are, since the only result of "wanting Joe to lose the election as punishment" is Trump winning.
Now, at least you are honest enough to not shy away from saying "yes, this is about punishing Biden".
That is clearly an edited clip.
He may well be saying exactly what you say.
If so, you won't have any trouble finding the whole, unedited clip and showing how it means exactly what you say it does when viewed in context.
There are lots and lots of things to criticize Biden for.
He's exceeded my expectations in some areas and fallen far below them in others.
As for Frank's specific point, it relies on the idea that Biden will lose the election over this specific issue and nothing else.
It also seems to rest on the idea that "The Democrats didn't stop him", because as is well known, all politicians can do exactly what they want to do like flicking a light switch on or off.
Wanting a unicorn isn't you being serious - that's just fantasizing.
Now, if you are saying, "Look, in my fantasy, neither win and a third party candidate who is perfect does and everything is fixed" then sure, fantasize away.
But there is no third party candidate with a chance of winning right now.
538 as of today has it at Trump: 40.9%, Biden: 39.9%, Kennedy: 9.4%
RCP as of today has it at Trump: 42.3%, Biden: 39.7%, Kennedy: 10.7%
So no chance for Kennedy to win, barring the greatest turn around ever seen.
And, unfortunately for you, Kennedy may be even more pro-Israel than Trump - saying ceasefires shouldn't happen, Hamas must be eliminated, and everything Israel is doing is moral.
But again, given the US system, saying specifically that Biden must lose to learn his lesson is saying Trump winning is the better result.
You may not like that, but it is the nature of the system in place.
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It's amazing what some people will stretch to when they want to bad mouth someone.
That's a fascinating clip.
But ignoring the silliness that is TYT - you aren't trying to pretend that Biden's statement 12 years ago didn't happen, are you?
That he didn't have any influence on gay marriage being legalized in the United States?
You aren't implying that all statements he makes on anything is a lie and in fact he has been secretly against gay marriage this whole time?
No, it isn't.
Voting isn't about your feelings.
It is about who gets into power.
That people want it to also provide information about your feelings is laudable, but a complete misunderstanding of how voting works in a plurality wins system.
Like I said above, if your statement is meant to reflect your wish - knowing that reality is completely different - for some other magical result to happen, then sure.
But if your wish is - in reality - that Biden loses, then that is a wish for Trump to win, because those are the only two results currently available to you.
That's insanely sloppy logic.
It's an edited clip.
You just admitted that here.
Only a complete idiot takes an edited clip on the internet at face value.
It is even one that you admit earlier in the thread had an inaccurate translation.
Again - I am not saying that this can't mean what you say it means, but you are wildly short of proving it at this point.
Your tribe refers to him as "Genocide Joe," but I do not share that perspective. His actions align with longstanding U.S. policy, which involves supporting our ally, Israel, while also imposing certain restraints on Prime Minister Netanyahu.
You will all be really shedding tears if Trump and the Repugs take the reigns of power.
What was the depression from? Not killing enough babies?
Not at all. I am pointing out that there are two different things going on.
Why?
What on earth makes you think "that is what you do"?
Especially in a system which will actively punish you for doing that by producing a result you consider worse more often if you do that?
I agree many people think that way.
That's what they WANT the system to to incentivize.
But wishing the system worked that way doesn't make it work that way.
Yes, it does.
By definition.
Now, you may be happy that it helped Trump or you may be upset by it.
But in a plurality-wins system, any vote for someone hurts someone else.
If you truly have no preference between the other candidates, then what you do does not affect anything concerning your satisfaction in the result.
If you have any preference at all between the other candidates, then you have to consider whether or not your vote will produce a result that you like less than the outcome you helped create.
Something that is actively detrimental to you getting your preferred result overall in a plurality-wins system.
Ignoring that because you don't like that the system produces results like that doesn't change that truth,
I am completely and utterly right on this.
Because not "playing the game", as you say it, produces worse results for the voter.
This is one of the main issues with FPTP and probably the least disputed result in electoral theory.
FPTP fails the Favourite Betrayal Criterion.
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Yes.
End of discussion.
This is nonsense.
You have no idea if this is the entirety of the relevant sentences.
Because it is edited.
I know you highlighted that, but you're wrong.
You are doing a lot of interpretive work on three sentences here.
Which is wildly far from proving genocidal intent.
This is nonsense and you are the one grasping at straws.
It's like you don't understand how English works.
I didn't say 'and nothing else'.
But this one issue is losing him a few key demographics and swing states, its the final straw for quite a few people.
Your specific point is that this choice is a failure of voters and its not a failure of Biden's himself.
75,000 people surrounded the WH today. Yet you still argue this is just me.
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Not voting for the status quo is how you change the status quo.
It may never happen but at least you are trying to change the system, not just choose between two genocidal options.
Your view appears to be that democracy is broken and can't be fixed.
You sell the same 'the other guy will end the world' story that the other side sells.
Its like you think nobody should protest and the students should cut it out because they won't force Biden to change his mind.
Even though you, amongst everyone here, know this looks like a Humphrey moment.
Even if you were correct about it having no effect on Canada, I would think "not finding human suffering amusing" would be something you would aspire to.But I dont think as Canadians we have to feel sad about Trump winning. The only thing we'd have to put up with are the righties on TERB having a party lmao. Double yikes if PP wins in Canada. lmfao. Other than that, it will be 4 years of non-stop entertainment.
Poor Val. He is watching in real time the actual reasons why Biden could very well lose the election to Trump, which is essentially why Hillary did.
And he is going to continue to gaslight with his elitist "I know better than you what's good so line up and vote what I say" because it's all he knows. He can't fathom another opinion.
This is what happens when you piss people off enough. They will vote their conscious and will accept eorse results to hope for later better options. Val essentially wants people to stay in a bad abusive relationship because he thinks it's worse leaving.
What he is incapable of seeing is that's just not true.
And he is going to continue to gaslight with his elitist "I know better than you what's good so line up and vote what I say" because it's all he knows. He can't fathom another opinion.
This is what happens when you piss people off enough. They will vote their conscious and will accept eorse results to hope for later better options. Val essentially wants people to stay in a bad abusive relationship because he thinks it's worse leaving.
What he is incapable of seeing is that's just not true.
That isn't what you are arguing though.
You are saying "THIS is what is costing him the election".
That is saying it is - if not nothing else - the primary reason.
Yet you've never managed to provide evidence for that.
Not at all.
I've said repeatedly that you don't understand the voting system and that people who vote based on the same thinking as you also don't understand it.
I've never said it was just you.
Or that it wasn't a problem that was affecting his election chances.
That's all just projection by you because you can't believe anyone wouldn't think that this is the single most important thing - if not the only thing - affecting Joe Biden's chances of re-election.
Thank you for admitting its a problem affecting his election chances.
That is what I'm arguing.
