Israel at war

[Frankfooter]

There are lots and lots of things to criticize Biden for.
He's exceeded my expectations in some areas and fallen far below them in others.

As for Frank's specific point, it relies on the idea that Biden will lose the election over this specific issue and nothing else.
It also seems to rest on the idea that "The Democrats didn't stop him", because as is well known, all politicians can do exactly what they want to do like flicking a light switch on or off.

I didn't say 'and nothing else'.

But this one issue is losing him a few key demographics and swing states, its the final straw for quite a few people.
Your specific point is that this choice is a failure of voters and its not a failure of Biden's himself.

75,000 people surrounded the WH today. Yet you still argue this is just me.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1799513115064684771

 

[Frankfooter]

I agree many people think that way.
That's what they WANT the system to to incentivize.
But wishing the system worked that way doesn't make it work that way.

Not voting for the status quo is how you change the status quo.
It may never happen but at least you are trying to change the system, not just choose between two genocidal options.

Your view appears to be that democracy is broken and can't be fixed.
You sell the same 'the other guy will end the world' story that the other side sells.

Its like you think nobody should protest and the students should cut it out because they won't force Biden to change his mind.
Even though you, amongst everyone here, know this looks like a Humphrey moment.

 

[Valcazar]

But I dont think as Canadians we have to feel sad about Trump winning. The only thing we'd have to put up with are the righties on TERB having a party lmao. Double yikes if PP wins in Canada. lmfao. Other than that, it will be 4 years of non-stop entertainment.

Even if you were correct about it having no effect on Canada, I would think "not finding human suffering amusing" would be something you would aspire to.

 

[Butler1000]

Poor Val. He is watching in real time the actual reasons why Biden could very well lose the election to Trump, which is essentially why Hillary did.

And he is going to continue to gaslight with his elitist "I know better than you what's good so line up and vote what I say" because it's all he knows. He can't fathom another opinion.

This is what happens when you piss people off enough. They will vote their conscious and will accept eorse results to hope for later better options. Val essentially wants people to stay in a bad abusive relationship because he thinks it's worse leaving.

What he is incapable of seeing is that's just not true.

 

[Valcazar]

I didn't say 'and nothing else'.

But this one issue is losing him a few key demographics and swing states, its the final straw for quite a few people.

That isn't what you are arguing though.
You are saying "THIS is what is costing him the election".

That is saying it is - if not nothing else - the primary reason.
Yet you've never managed to provide evidence for that.

Your specific point is that this choice is a failure of voters and its not a failure of Biden's himself.

Not at all.
I've said repeatedly that you don't understand the voting system and that people who vote based on the same thinking as you also don't understand it.

75,000 people surrounded the WH today. Yet you still argue this is just me.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1799513115064684771

I've never said it was just you.
Or that it wasn't a problem that was affecting his election chances.
That's all just projection by you because you can't believe anyone wouldn't think that this is the single most important thing - if not the only thing - affecting Joe Biden's chances of re-election.

 

[Frankfooter]

That isn't what you are arguing though.
You are saying "THIS is what is costing him the election".

That is saying it is - if not nothing else - the primary reason.
Yet you've never managed to provide evidence for that.

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I've never said it was just you.
Or that it wasn't a problem that was affecting his election chances.

Thank you for admitting its a problem affecting his election chances.
That is what I'm arguing.

 

[Butler1000]

That isn't what you are arguing though.
You are saying "THIS is what is costing him the election".

That is saying it is - if not nothing else - the primary reason.
Yet you've never managed to provide evidence for that.



Not at all.
I've said repeatedly that you don't understand the voting system and that people who vote based on the same thinking as you also don't understand it.



I've never said it was just you.
Or that it wasn't a problem that was affecting his election chances.
That's all just projection by you because you can't believe anyone wouldn't think that this is the single most important thing - if not the only thing - affecting Joe Biden's chances of re-election.

I'd say it has cost them Michigan. Absolutely. Thats 100,000's of votes around Dearborn that are toast. And the margin is tight there.

As for other parts it isn't about support politically but simply about taxpayer dollars bring spent and not on Americans. Isolationism has risen in the USA to a point imo it will be a factor in the swing states.

 

[Valcazar]

Not voting for the status quo is how you change the status quo.

Not in the way you mean, though.

It may never happen but at least you are trying to change the system, not just choose between two genocidal options.

No.
Unless you are talking about overthrowing the system and violently replacing democracy or the government, this is just you misunderstanding voting.

Your view appears to be that democracy is broken and can't be fixed.

No.
My view is democracy is important and should be nurtured.
It is also that if you want to fix the deeply imperfect voting system, then you need to understand what it does.

You sell the same 'the other guy will end the world' story that the other side sells.

Even if that were true, it would be entirely irrelevant to the argument I'm making about what the voting system does and how it works.

Its like you think nobody should protest and the students should cut it out because they won't force Biden to change his mind.

I have never said this.
In fact, I am in favor of the protests and think that kind of pressure is exactly what is needed to change his mind.

Even though you, amongst everyone here, know this looks like a Humphrey moment.

Is "this is a Humphrey moment" the new talking point!?
People are doubling down on that?

 

[Addict2sex]

Toronto: “Walk Against Israel” confronts Zionist racism and crimes

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It really doesn't matter any more what the Palestinian want that the reality …. They Palestinians can simply assist in getting any hostages still held by Hamas freed, and end the Gaza War, or they can die at about a 1000 to 1 rate. That is the reality no matter what anyone thinks about it. The world, including the Arab world, has shown that they are not going to step in and stop it. Release the maybe 140 or so, or die at a rate of 1000+ .


FYI , The ratio of hostage free to Hamas killed to innocent people killed, something like 1 to 1 to 1000?

 

[Frankfooter]

Not in the way you mean, though.
No.
Unless you are talking about overthrowing the system and violently replacing democracy or the government, this is just you misunderstanding voting.
No.
My view is democracy is important and should be nurtured.
It is also that if you want to fix the deeply imperfect voting system, then you need to understand what it does.

How is voting for someone aiding genocide 'fixing the system' or 'nurturing democracy'?
The system is clearly fucked if your choice is between a rapist and convicted felon who attempted a coup and someone aiding genocide.

Even if that were true, it would be entirely irrelevant to the argument I'm making about what the voting system does and how it works.

No.
If this were an election between Biden and some more traditional republican you wouldn't be repeatedly arguing that not voting for rump will bring about the end of democracy and even more genocide.

I have never said this.
In fact, I am in favor of the protests and think that kind of pressure is exactly what is needed to change his mind.

Same way the protests and losing the election changed the dems after Vietnam.

Is "this is a Humphrey moment" the new talking point!?
People are doubling down on that?

Have you at least moved on from saying that votes are owed to Biden and refusing to vote for him is 'punishing' him just for aiding genocide?

 

[Klatuu]

It really doesn't matter any more what the Palestinian want that the reality …. They Palestinians can simply assist in getting any hostages still held by Hamas freed, and end the Gaza War, or they can die at about a 1000 to 1 rate. That is the reality no matter what anyone thinks about it. The world, including the Arab world, has shown that they are not going to step in and stop it. Release the maybe 140 or so, or die at a rate of 1000+ .


FYI , The ratio of hostage free to Hamas killed to innocent people killed, something like 1 to 1 to 1000?

Racist, Poor education, Wife beater strategy

 

[canada-man]

So a propagandist who works for "Palestine chronicle" a pro Hamas propaganda outlet (one this is often cited by a terbite here who openly supports terrorists and terrorism against Jews and israelis) was allegedly involved in holding hostages

Gazan journalist accused of working for Al Jazeera, holding hostages | The Jerusalem Post

Abdallah Aljamal, who worked for the Palestine Chronicle, a pro-Hamas outlet led by ex-Al-Jazeera official Ramzi Baroud, was later confirmed by the IDF to be a Hamas activist.

www.jpost.com

 

[Klatuu]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1799682414803141106

 

[Klatuu]

Big mistake Genocide Joe

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1799682030546059575

 

[Frankfooter]

Israel could have had all the hostages returned 8 months ago but even today they choose to kill more instead.
They used aid trucks, which is like the accusation that Hamas was using hospitals.
They used US and UK help, which actively includes them in genocide.
And they deliberately killed civilians.

Israel wants to turn the entire world into a police state to defend their genocide now.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1799578202567827784

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1799580728671470003

 

[Frankfooter]

And still the genocide through starvation continues.

UN: Israel-caused Famine to encompass all Gaza by July, killing as many as 19,800 a Month

Gaza updates: WFP calls for access as UN Hunger Hotspots report highlights global crises | World Food Programme

World Food Programme urges Israeli authorities to ease the flow of aid to people in desperate need

www.wfp.org

 

[mandrill]

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"They've taken everything from me!"

Gazan woman tells heartbreaking account of how Israeli forces raided her house and stole her family's last remaining hostages.

 

[Klatuu]

Israel could have had all the hostages returned 8 months ago but even today they choose to kill more instead.
They used aid trucks, which is like the accusation that Hamas was using hospitals.
They used US and UK help, which actively includes them in genocide.
And they deliberately killed civilians.

Israel wants to turn the entire world into a police state to defend their genocide now.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1799578202567827784

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1799580728671470003

And most of the hostages would have returned without massacring Palestinian civilians if it hadn’t vetoed its own peace plan last week. POS Nation is nothing more than a homicidal and racist shamble.
.

 

[Klatuu]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1799788888338378994

 

[Frankfooter]

Only a terrorist state would be attacking the UN.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1799122004798239217