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Then the absolute quickest way to help them would be for Hamas to surrender and return all the hostages.
No, Biden is in negotiations with Netanyahu and Hamas for a ceasefire.
That's the only way this stops.

Its always the same.
Israel kills as many as they can until the US stops them.
Only this time the world has seen too much.



 

Frankfooter

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Wrong. Every cease fire has to be bilaterally negotiated. Hamas is negotiating for the release of the hostages and they can't even agree on that. How long will that take and how many more lives will be lost while they're also negotiating a ceasefire.?

A surrender is a unilateral decision. Zero negotiations required. Immediate stoppage of violence.

Clearly my plan is a faster route to save lives. Irrefutable.
Your plan has worked so well for the last 75 years.
 

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Have to say I agree with the following. Extremists on both sides must be discouraged from unjustified violence based solely on hatred.

While I support Israel's attacks in Gaza to eliminate Hamas, I have never been in agreement with the Israeli settlers' crimes against Arabs in the West Bank, when unprovoked.


Copied & pasted from The Jerusalem Post

"US to ban entry to Jewish extremists who attack Palestinians
Story by BY TOVAH LAZAROFF • 37m


The Biden administration seeks to prevent Jewish extremists who attack Palestinians from entering the United States in its harshest stance to date against such West Bank violence.
“I have been emphatic with Israel’s leaders that extremist violence against Palestinians in the West Bank must stop and that those committing the violence must be held accountable,” US President Joe Biden wrote in an opinion piece he published in the Washington Post on Saturday.

“The United States is prepared to take our own steps, including issuing visa bans against extremists attacking civilians in the West Bank,” he stressed.
According to the United Nations, eight Palestinians, including one child, have been killed by settlers in the West Bank and another 74 were injured.
Some 33% of those injuries were caused by live ammunition, the UN stated.
 IDF SOLDIERS prevent settlers from entering the village of Deir Sharaf, west of Nablus, in response to a shooting attack last Thursday. (credit: NASSER ISHTAYEH/FLASH90)
IDF SOLDIERS prevent settlers from entering the village of Deir Sharaf, west of Nablus, in response to a shooting attack last Thursday. (credit: NASSER ISHTAYEH/FLASH90)© Provided by The Jerusalem Post

Biden administration increasingly concerned with extremist violence
The Biden administration is increasingly concerned by the growing number of Jewish extremist attacks that have occurred both before and after the start of the Gaza war.
Its officials have been careful to mention settler violence as it condemns Hamas’ killing of 1,200 people and its seizure of over 239 hostages when it infiltrated southern Israel on October 9.


It has supported Israel’s military campaign to oust Hamas from Gaza in the aftermath of that attack and has spoken of the importance of a two-state resolution to the Israeli-Paelstinian conflict in the aftermath of that war.
“In the months ahead, the United States will redouble our efforts to establish a more peaceful, integrated, and prosperous Middle East — a region where a day like Oct. 7 is unthinkable, “ Biden wrote.


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Biden has had enough.
The attack on Gaza will end soon and Netanyahu, with his 4% support in Israel, will be done.
 
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I have lied about nothing. My point, which you have not refuted, because it is impossible to so and cannot even bring yourself to admit, is that Hamas surrendering and releasing the hostages is the fastest way to prevent Gazans/Palestinians from suffering under Israel's retaliation. Is it somehow shameful to admit that I'm correct. I don't understand. Maybe it is because I don't have any firsthand knowledge of how it is to live with so much hatred as you do.

I have proven that 100% wrong. Surrender by Hamas is the fastest. I didn't say that it would necessarily happen, but it is clearly the fastest. Again, why is that so monumentally difficult to agree with?

For the sake of the Palestinians, what else. Why do you even have to ask?



A surrender in which they give up their weapons, allow themselves to be arrested and release the hostages doesn't really require any trust. What do you think surrender means? D'uuhh. Trusting them to uphold a negotiated treaty is a different matter. That's why a surrender is required. And if Israel were to negotiate after a ceasefire, as you recommend, why are YOU trusting them?

As usual, your talking points are all shown to be hate driven, hypocritical drivel. They never stands up to scrutiny as shown in this post. You can only tell so many lies until the fallacies, inconsistencies and hypocrisies are revealed. The hate boils to the top for everyone to see.

Between Klatuu, franK and you, Kautilya, you are TERB's KKK.

You are just as reprehensible and racist as they were/are.
As I told you repeatedly, Netanyahu will kill as many Palestinians as he can until Biden tells him to stop.
That time is almost here.

US, Israel, Hamas ‘close’ to deal to pause war, free dozens of captives: Washington Post

Your genocide is a total fucking disaster that will lead to the end of apartheid Israel and the end of the zionist colonial project.
Your racist hatred can not lead to peace of safety for the Jewish people.
Its time to end zionism and move past it to end apartheid.

 

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AKA, you hate Jews. Say it! Don't pussyfoot. I, Kautilya hate Jews.

Be proud of who you are.

You wasted bandwidth and your time with that post. It is physically IMPOSSIBLE for more Palestinian lives to be spared than with a Hamas surrender and release of hostages regardless of what racist spin you attempt to put on it. Get back to me when you have something intelligent to say in response.

I have addressed every single one of your KKK points. You hate Jews the way they hate blacks.
Zionists, shack.

The world hates zionists.
There are so many Jews fighting for 'not in my name'. Good people, moral Jews filled with love, not your zionist, racist hate.
Nobody likes zionists.

This is you and your genocidal, supremacist movement.

This is what you will be remembered for.


 

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Another horrendous war crime. Hamas terrorists and their command center eh?

Israel has reportedly killed 1000 overnight, likely because they can see Biden has had enough and they will be forced to stop.
2 UN schools bombed.

There have been no body counts for the last week because nobody can dig out the bodies or communicate.
The numbers are now way higher than 11,000.

 

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Okay. How about we dont get too technical and just call it indiscriminate bombing that has killed 12000+ civilians and 6000 children. And call it a war crime per international law.
NO, call it precision bombing and going after where Hamas is hiding. Albeit I get it why it's best to exaggerate what is going on for the benefit of Hamas.

BTW, this will make the Hamas supporters happy, NO??

 
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That was an exercise in rage and delusion . The dumbing down required to be a zionist Is on full display.
Klatuu. Instead of being dismissive, give me a point-by-point rebuttal.
 

Frankfooter

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NO, call it precision bombing and going after where Hamas is hiding. Albeit I get it why it's best to exaggerate what is going on for the benefit of Hamas.

BTW, this will make the Hamas supporters happy, NO??

Your 'precision' bombing kills mostly women and children, 70% of all deaths are women and children.

People who say Palestine supporters are 'Hamas supporters' are the people who support genocide, the people who see 580 children killed sleeping at a school as 'terrorists', not children. The same way in Rwanda people were 'cockroaches', the same way they were dehumanized in Germany in WWII.

This round of violence will end, as I called it, without the elimination of Hamas. Biden has supported Netanyahu way longer than he should have, destroying his own career and standing in the process. Netanyahu has only 4% approval rating, he's done. Zionism has become a dirty word again, associated with apartheid and genocide. He's done after this stops.

The people who are backing Israel will start to claim they never supported this attack in a few weeks. Either that or you are forever tarred as a colonial racist like shack and leimonis. Mandrill, who has mostly abandoned the the Israel threads, will sheepishly come around in about a month.

Once the fighting stops and journalists show pictures of the deaths, destruction, starvation and misery you're going to start understanding what you've been backing. As more details about the bullshit the IDF claimed about hospitals and the music festival come out you're going to claim you were conned.
The bigger question is whether humanity will learn the big lesson. The left wingers here have been railing about trump and how easy it is to get Maga morons to back fascism, but now they're going to have to explain how they backed full on genocide and nazi level evil.

Will this make me happy?

No, it makes me fucking angry that 12-20,000 Palestinians died, that its taken this much death to start to end apartheid in Israel. This is only the beginning of the real change in Israel.

To take this horror:

And to use that anger to make this change.
 
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