Hard to say for sure. 50 years is a lot of administrations and policies.
Having said that, Hamas' attacks only make Israeli's resolve to survive stronger.
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Having said that, Hamas' attacks only make Israeli's resolve to survive stronger.
As valid and accurate a point as always.
As long as you keep hiding from admitting reality. I'll keep playing the note so people can keep seeing your cowardice.
Here's another one for you:
How do you think this plays out such that Hamas and Gazans are ahead of the game?
This is what Hamas and you knew would happen when they attacked on Oct. 7. Yet you still supported it. This is the paradise that you approved of.
Unless of course you condemn the Oct. 7 attack as an act of terrorism.
That picture is YOUR paradise frank. You are the one promoting the genocide of Gazans/Palestinians.
Correct, you keep saying that.
More accurately one could say that:
frank repeatedly continues to deny that Oct. 7 was a terrorist attack and refuses to condemn the violence inflicted on Israeli civilians.
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Hopefully enough of the Gazan people will come to realize the perpetrators of the suffering they are going through is none other than Hamas. It would be nice to see a civilian uprising. Hopefully Israel keeps dropping leaflets to inform the Gazans of the truth behind their plight.
It's not that simple. There is no "but they started it" doctrine in the rules of war.
There are 3 considerations: proportional proportionality analysis (yes, it's a reductive name, take it up with the lawyers), non-reciprocity, self-defense. These come from the 2 primary statutes: the Geneva Conventions governing the treatment of victims and the Hague Conventions governing the conduct of armed forces. The armed forces in question, be they Israel or Hamas, do not need to ratify for the Conventions to apply; they are universal.
1. Doctrine of Non-Reciprocity
It is unlawful to attack any protected (i.e. protected under the Geneva convention - schools, hospitals, etc) target merely out of revenge or lust for battle.
2. Self-Defense
Attacks against a protected target in response to an active and ongoing threat which is clear and present, even if the attack is pre-emptive, are lawful.
3. Proportional Proportionality Analysis
Any action with defined military objectives where the savings of lives and materiel as a result of said action exceed the loss of life and materiel are lawful (note that for something like a hospital one must consider ongoing losses caused by the loss of life-saving personnel and equipment).
This is what many of them want though, provocation in the hopes that violence happens
The so called civilian support outside of Gaza is tiny. And a bunch of useful idiots at best and anti semites at worst.
For the Palis wars have failed, infatas have failed, terror has failed, BDS has failed, appeals to the UN have failed. Even appeals now to fellow Muslims fail except for those who would use them for their own ends, and discard them when convenient.
We need a betting pool now for how many miles of land the new border will be in.
Civilian support for the Gazans and Palestinians in the West is clearly massive. But most of it is performative. University students going to rallies and carrying signs, etc. It's not effective unless those people can gain control of major Western governments.
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Support Hamas, you support this for the world.
That’s all fine and noble. Not everyone is. And the hard fact of the matter is that Jewish people are victims of hate crimes far more. Far more than other group. Just statistical facts.
And there is no legitimate reason to intentionally protest in residential neighborhoods.
That’s your anti Palestinian bigotry you are referring to. Plain and simple.
