And the US and independent analysist and Al Jazeera video. But sure, be like a flat earther and ignore evidence because in your obsession, you know better.
Israel at war
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WTf is wrong with you. Do you really feel the ned to pretend non-Jews are all really Jewish supremacists?
BTW. What is your view on Hamas? Are they Islamic supremacists?
no my question has to do with usual tactic of diverting from the he real issue in order to attempt to create a moral equivalency or justification.
there is a lot to criticize Israeli policies in the WB and Gaza and the that is certainly a legitimate debate but regardless of one’s view in that debate nothing justifies the barbaric attack or creates any moral equivalency. It is the refusal to call out Hamas for the barbarians they are that is the the real issue,
Of course it's barbaric. You can't massacre people without being barbaric.
And Israel is barbaric for it's treatment of the Palestinians. But you won't call out Israel.
You can justify Israel's barbarism, but you want everyone to call out Hamas' barbarism.
There are few members in here that are reveling in and gloating about Israel's barbarism.
You want to see Hamas strictly as barbaric because it absolves Israel of all it's crimes.
You know how the mafia started, poor Sicilian peasants being abused and totally oppressed by the wealthy landowners and
feudal lords, with no recourse to justice. There were families and clans that secretly took on roles of protectors and exactors of justice
for the community (that's why mob orgs are called families).
Ultimately, these families started shaking down landlords and the wealthy, and eventually came to rule the communities.
The oppressor always creates the Frankenstein.
Just making things up I see?
What the fuck word one did I say about Hamas or about their actions being justified.
This is genuinely disappointing.
I don't hold you in much respect, it's true, but one of the reasons I would point out that Trump ran on the idea the US should commit more war crimes is that I thought "don't commit war crimes" was something you and I agree on.
But here you are saying Hamas is a far game target for any atrocity because you can't commit war crimes against them.
It's pretty fucking appalling.
did you actually read my post.
i call out Hamas barbarism because it is barbaric. It has nothing at all to do with what you and others may consider barbaric or excusing anything that Israel may do or have done. Your attempt to try and connect or compare same is quite absurd and offensive.
If you believe in Human rights, Democracy, a secular society based on individial freedom, then you have to be willing to fight for it against people who don't
Middle East Muslim don't. They want a caliphate, and all Jews killed or driven out. Its really that simple. There isn't middle ground here. You are are just too scared to admit the truth.
The truth is, given an absolute choice, you would choose Israel. But what you can't fathom is we are at that choice with Hamas. You cling to the notion that because you are reasonable, they must be.
Islamist Hamas is not.
That's you're very self-entitled and totally biased opinion.
How can you isolate Hamas' barbarism from the context of Israel's barbarism?
What's absurd and offensive is your inability or unwillingness to recognize that.
I find it offensive and the typical tactic to try and connect them. You can criticize Israel and it’s policies all you like but they have nothing to do with a barbaric massacre.
It's not a tactic, it's reality.
Funny how you minimize Israel war crimes as just "policies".
You are either totally clued out as to what's been going on prior to the attack or you just don't give a fuck.
I can't believe anyone who knows what's going on could respond like you.
Once again, even the vast majority of Israeli Jews hold their own government responsible.
To say Israel's policies have nothing to do with the massacre is as ignorant a thing as I've heard.
Up to and including war crimes, which don't even exist if you are fighting the right sort of people.
Yes, we get it.
Oh, you're a bastion of moral clarity and political realism.
Yup.
What is this bizarre obsession you have with thinking I'm saying a single fucking thing about Hamas's views on anything?
I am calling you out for saying you think war crimes are justified - or rather - that they just cannot happen by definition in the course of action against Hamas.
Its right here.
You really can't say if you believe Palestinians deserve basic human rights the same way you're afraid to say where the borders of Israel lie.
That's some clear moral turf you're protecting with the IDF.
Palestinians live as stateless refugees on their homeland.
They have no rights, no freedoms and you call them terrorist when they fight for it.
To further clarify against an enemy who will happily die because their religion tells them to war crimes are sadly inevitable by Western standards. When they will happily sacrifice civilians its inevitable.
