Israel at war

[Frankfooter]

I wonder why Ukrainian refugees are accepted everywhere but Gazans are not welcome in any Arab country

The more interesting question is why can people appear to be liberals then harbour such incredible racism on one people.

 

[squeezer]

Why is it self defence when Ukraine fights the Russian occupation but not self defence when Hamas fights the Israeli occupation?

I don't believe Ukraine has parachuted into Russia during a peaceful nonpolitical celebration and started killing and kidnapping innocent young folks just celebrating.

 

[Leimonis]

Cuz there are already 5 million living in Lebanon, Syria and Jordan.
They've been there for 75 years and Israel refuses to let them back in.
While anyone who claims to be Jewish or have a Jewish friend gets free transport.

Egypt won't let them in because they know Israel wants a repeat of the Nabka, once they are out Israel will never let them back in.
Ethnic cleansing, you know.

Why do those refugees live in shitty refugee camps? Why dont their Arab brothers welcome them as equals?

 

[Klatuu]

I don't believe Ukraine has parachuted into Russia during a peaceful nonpolitical celebration and started killing and kidnapping innocent young folks just celebrating.

Then I guess you don’t know about the 1000 plus Palestinians being held hostage by Israel. And it must be news to you that Gaza is occupied by Israel, who blockades them and has snipers killing them as they walk in Gaza.

 

[Klatuu]

Why do those refugees live in shitty refugee camps? Why dont their Arab brothers welcome them as equals?

Why don’t their fellow human beings in Israel….you know, the ones responsible, welcome them back as equals and pay reparations?

 

[Klatuu]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1712941942122881398

 

[mellowjello]

How do you use human shields when this happens, shack?

They have to make up nonsense to justify the annihilation and 70 years of inhumane treatment of people who've lived there for thousands of years.

 

[Not getting younger]

Wrong again. Palestinians signed and abided by the Oslo Accords. For that they got 2 decades of stalling and half a million more settlers in what could have been Palestine.

In Gaza they protested peacefully for a year and every Friday for a year Israel shot them with snipers. Killing 200 and injuring 36,000. Civilians.

Wrong.

Just as the PLO turned to pragmatism, however, a new organization, Hamas, headed in the opposite direction, articulating a vision of an Islamic state in all of historical Palestine. Hamas rejected the Oslo Accords and, in a move to scuttle peace talks, initiated a series of suicide attacks against Israeli targets.

Meanwhile, Israel continued to build settlements in the occupied territories, and the Palestinians imported arms and built up their security forces, in violation of the terms of the Oslo Accords. As a result, talks broke down in 2000 in a wave of frustration and mutual recrimination. Shortly afterward, Likud’s prime ministerial candidate, Ariel Sharon, visited the Temple Mount in Jerusalem as an assertion of Israel’s sovereignty over Al-Aqṣā Mosque, Islam’s third holiest site. Rioting broke out, Israeli police responded with lethal force, and unrest quickly spread throughout the occupied territories. The second intifada had begun.

Intifada | History, Meaning, Cause, First, Second, & Significance | Britannica

Intifada is either of two popular uprisings of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip aimed at ending Israel’s occupation of those territories and creating an independent Palestinian state. The first intifada ended with the signing of the Oslo Accords, while the second ended after simply...

www.britannica.com

 

[mandrill]

Or will they run like the IDF did?

Given the differential in training and equipment, the IDF will do just fine. Although the urban terrain slightly improves HAMAS's chances.

 

[Not getting younger]

This is worth repeating. While there is plenty of blame to go around. Don’t poke the bear comes to mind

“Hamas rejected the Oslo Accords and, in a move to scuttle peace talks, initiated a series of suicide attacks against Israeli targets.”

Pretty sure I also read.

In 1988 the PLO accepted American conditions for opening a U.S.-Palestinian dialogue: rejection of terrorism, recognition of Israel’s right to exist, and acceptance of United NationsSecurity Council Resolutions 242 (which called upon Arab states to accept Israel’s right “to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries”) and 338 (which called for the implementation of Resolution 242 “in all its parts”).

 

[Klatuu]

Hamas attacked first here so the whataboutism is to put this back on Israel.

Even so, yes Israel should abide by international law. But so should Hamas considering they are elected and everything.

No, the 50 year brutal military occupation brought about by ethnic cleansing, blockades, and the ongoing murder and disfiguring of Palestinians preceded it. It is irrefutable. It is taught in every university history course on the Middle East. Every government, including ours confirms it. Every international organization confirms it.

Denying it is no different than holocaust denial. It’s motivated by the same kind of hate.

 

[Klatuu]

This is worth repeating. While there is plenty of blame to go around. Don’t poke the bear comes to mind

“Hamas rejected the Oslo Accords and, in a move to scuttle peace talks, initiated a series of suicide attacks against Israeli targets.”

Pretty sure I also read.

Hey dimwit, Israel hasn’t stated what its borders are.

 

[Leimonis]

The one thing that is confusing is how can someone have refugee status for 75 years? When someone comes to Canada as a refugee, they go through the asylum system and become PRs and eventually citizens. 75 years is 3 generations.

That’s how much their Arab brothers love them

 

[dirtyharry555]

Hamas attacked first here so the whataboutism is to put this back on Israel.

The news told you that this attack was the first so it's true? The "first" attack is an arbitrary date.

When Palestinians are being murdered year after year, your response is for them to be like Ghandi.

When they retaliate, it's the "first" attack.

WTF is wrong with you?

Do you see the mental gymnastics and mumbo jumbo game you're playing?

 

[Klatuu]

Why do Palestinians have to be held hostage by Israel? Incarcerated or even extra judicially detained, sure. But hostage? And your second sentence sound like hyperbole unless there is some context to it.

How is being held without charge or access to a lawyer anything (up to 8 years) other than being held hostage?

 

[Klatuu]

And before all that, there was the 1948 war where the muslim nations surrounding Israel attacked it and kick started the conflict.

That’s fiction as well.

 

[Not getting younger]

Hey dimwit, Israel hasn’t stated what its borders are.

Hey dimwit, can you read English?

Hamas rejected the Oslo accords, scuttled peace talks and initiated suicide attacks

 

[dirtyharry555]

Given the differential in training and equipment, the IDF will do just fine. Although the urban terrain slightly improves HAMAS's chances.

You're on some real Sun Tzu shit today. Wow!

 

[mandrill]

You're on some real Sun Tzu shit today. Wow!

Your own views on the tactical situation, Dirty?

 

[mandrill]

The news told you that this attack was the first so it's true? The "first" attack is an arbitrary date.

When Palestinians are being murdered year after year, your response is for them to be like Ghandi.

When they retaliate, it's the "first" attack.

WTF is wrong with you?

Do you see the mental gymnastics and mumbo jumbo game you're playing?

Dirty, if the Gazans had tried to take an Israeli military post and there was a firefight and the Israeli garrison got killed, I'd figure it was a fair fight.

It's the gang rape of civilian women and the beheading of infants that skew the way most people perceive this assault. People who do that are animals, not human beings.