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Leimonis

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Then move on.
Thank you for your wisdom and may your solution be implemented so that all children, women, doctors and journalists will be safe and happy
 

mellowjello

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Thank you for your wisdom and may your solution be implemented so that all children, women, doctors and journalists will be safe and happy
I didn't realize I was that important or my opinion carried that much weight with you.
Thanks for the props.
 
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Butler1000

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Now we have it, exceptionalism and supremacy.
And you're question is silly.
This was never about security, or Hamas, it's about getting rid of all Palestinians, and you know it.
Is that why Israel is killing civilians and stealing all the land in West Bank?
Is that why Israel has been complicit in sustaining Hamas's presence in Gaza?
This is 101 stuff, you just want to keep spinning it around.
You are correct. Both sides will not budge. Both sides want the other gone. By what ever means. There will not be a one state or two state solution. Just a winner or a loser. That's the way Both sides want it.

Feel free to pick a side, but don't expect reason and peace to ever be a factor in the outcome.
 
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Leimonis

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You are correct. Both sides will not budge. Both sides want the other gone. By what ever means. There will not be a one state or two state solution. Just a winner or a loser. That's the way Both sides want it.

Feel free to pick a side, but don't expect reason and peace to ever be a factor in the outcome.
This is not accurate. Obviously anyone would want their bad neighbour to leave forever. But meanwhile israel is trying to preserve the status quo and is basically satisfied with it (not counting settler violence which is def fucked up) while the other side is trying to change it and is actively using violence against civilians while doing so.
Don’t tell me they are the same.
 

Butler1000

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This is not accurate. Obviously anyone would want their bad neighbour to leave forever. But meanwhile israel is trying to preserve the status quo and is basically satisfied with it (not counting settler violence which is def fucked up) while the other side is trying to change it and is actively using violence against civilians while doing so.
Don’t tell me they are the same.
You are not paying attention in the West Bank.

Hey I'm on Israel's side. I consider them a far better Western Ally. And will negotiate peace treaties with neighboring nations. But let's not call it out. They are encroaching and baiting them. The Palestinians are too stubborn, stupid and religiously directed to not become the author of their own demise as well. It's a shitshow with recent 75 years and before that thousands more of wanting absolute control of the area and expelling each other, happily using violence.

Israel will likely win. No one in the region likes the Palestinians. Not after allying with Iran. Stupid move to be Sunni but ally with Shia Muslims. And with US/Saudi relations good it means game over.
 

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Are you suggesting that the Jews allowed the holocaust to happen as a means to creating an Israeli state,
because it's the same thinking.
If you are, that's pretty fucked up.
What territory were Jews in control of during the Holocaust. There was no Jewish state to defend?
What international aid was coming in expressly intended for Jews?
What governing body of Jews existed that had militias?
What rockets did other countries supply to the Jewish militias?

Your attempt to try to compare the Holocaust to the situation in Gaza is extremely fucked up and further proof that you're a good old-fashioned Jew hater.
 
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shack

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The great majority of the planet are in agreement with your sugar babies.
So why have the great majority of this vast world done not a single thing to attempt to stop tiny Israel in this conflict. They don't even want to take in any Pali refugees.

Actually, it proves that the great majority of the world really doesn't care about the Palis. All they do is shout but unfortunately for you actions talk louder than words and zero actions have been taken.
 

Leimonis

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They don't even want to take in any Pali refugees.
radicalized people are as desirable as radioactive waste. Egypt, Jordan and Lebanon have learned it the hard way.
 
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What territory were Jews in control of during the Holocaust. There was no Jewish state to defend?
What international aid was coming in expressly intended for Jews?
What governing body of Jews existed that had militias?
What rockets did other countries supply to the Jewish militias?

Your attempt to try to compare the Holocaust to the situation in Gaza is extremely fucked up and further proof that you're a good old-fashioned Jew hater.
Brain dead.
You missed the point completely.
Jewish exceptionalism as usual proving you're a good old fashioned Jewish supremacist.
 

mellowjello

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He called your bluff and you failed.

You don't give a shit about the Gazans. Hating Jews is your only motivation.
That's all you're good for, screaming Jew hater, anti-Semite.
Those words mean NOTHING....ZERO.
Those words have been weaponized to the point that no one gives a shit.
They only give supremacists like you an excuse for your inhumanity.

Really, they mean nothing.
 

mellowjello

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So why have the great majority of this vast world done not a single thing to attempt to stop tiny Israel in this conflict. They don't even want to take in any Pali refugees.

Actually, it proves that the great majority of the world really doesn't care about the Palis. All they do is shout but unfortunately for you actions talk louder than words and zero actions have been taken.
I don't know if you're really this stupid, or just doing your disgusting schtick.
U.S military.
The fact that you can actually ask this question shows what an idiot you are.

It's not on the world to take in the Palestinians, it's on your zionist buddies to get the fuck out of Gaza and the West Bank.
 

mellowjello

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You are correct. Both sides will not budge. Both sides want the other gone. By what ever means. There will not be a one state or two state solution. Just a winner or a loser. That's the way Both sides want it.

Feel free to pick a side, but don't expect reason and peace to ever be a factor in the outcome.
I never expected reason or peace, we had this discussion at the outset.
I said from the beginning this was a done deal.
Nobody has to like it or accept the moral justification for it though.

You're wrong on one account.
Israel wants this, they've wanted this from the very beginning.
 

Butler1000

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I never expected reason or peace, we had this discussion at the outset.
I said from the beginning this was a done deal.
Nobody has to like it or accept the moral justification for it though.

You're wrong on one account.
Israel wants this, they've wanted this from the very beginning.
I think there were a few that realized from the beginning it was inevitable this is where it would end up. And yes some wanted it. I think the majority initially just wanted a place to feel safe after the world had essentially turned their back.

Some Jews were trying to put this together pre WW 2 by buying up shitty property there(the locals were happy to sell it). But that would not have worked because they needed political and military support to really get it going. It's not like they came in strong. They were a very poor nation, had to have a lot of aid and socialist policy to get by. And in regular conflict.

Winning wars gave the nationalists the momentum to get where we are.
 
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