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As it is always the case, with Israel, their offers are always disingenuous. Olmert offered the deal but did not allow Abbas to study the map. He had to accept it "immediately". Who in this conflict will accept an offer from either side "immediately"? What an idiotic proposition.
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As always excuses and blaming Israel.

First, Abbas was allowed to study the map, he wasn't allowed to take a copy with him. Second, he had months where he could have offered his own map if he was actually interested.

He later stated that he rejected it because Israel wasn't allowing all refugees and their descendants into Israel which is disingenuous considering only a small percentage of the want to become Israeli. the real reason is he's spent his life promising the elimination of Israel and doing a 180 would destroy his power base (and profit center).
 

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If there were no resistance they would not have been moving at the current pace, you are contradicting yourself.
Its simple, war is expensive, israel is small. If they could they would want to finish this in two weeks, which is what i think their original plan was.
Yes, Hamas fighters dressed as civilians popping out of tunnels to attack IDF troops and boobytrapping buildings is slowing them down, forcing them to investigate and search every possible structure.

And before you accuse me of lying, go check out the Hamas telegram channels and watch the videos they post.
 

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The Status Quo is just a less intense version of what is happening now Not anything significantly different.
Just a tad less. Just sped it up by about 20 years. Hamas are the ones that put the pedal to the metal. It's like a drive-through now. Let as many die in a few months that could have taken over 20 years. (Or would never have happened) No big deal to you.

Your justifications keep getting weirder and weirder and lamer and lamer. Do you proofread before you post?

It wouldn't make a difference whether the Palestinians fought non-violently or violently - the Israelis will slaughter them.
There's that neutral racism and neutral hate speech being exposed again. Who could possibly be more neutral? Maybe Sinwar.
 
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Yes the only neutral position is being pro-Palestinian and anti-terrorism.
You are anti-terror yet support Hamas attacking on Oct. 7. It was smart.
You are a fraud by making conflicting statements like that.

Being pro-Israel simply means, you support genocide, and are in defence of a toxic, non-inclusive ideology like Zionism.
Racism and hate speech, but the neutral kind.

Being pro-Palestinian means you want the actual victims in this conflict to get justice.
Oh, I think Hamas is getting a heavy dose of well earned justice. Be careful what you wish for.

No I don't want Hamas to surrender, as of now. I want them to do one of two things
With an answer like that, it sounds like you only want 1 thing. You want to see more civilians die, because that is what will happen unless and until Hamas surrenders. frank wants 500,000 to die. How many are you cheering for?

You say not yet? Then when?

- a) Fight the Israelis, but only the IDF.
Just like they did on Oct. 7. Now I understand

The only time I would support surrender, is if Israel stops attacks
You've got that backward. You can support what you want but Israel will not stop until Hamas surrenders. That is reality. You are talking Bizarro. If Israel stops attacking Hamas, why would Hamas surrender? The only thing they understand is force.

and makes genuine attempts to work for Palestinian statehood. Kowtowing to colonialism,
As I keep saying, negotiations have to take place at some time.

It is not a matter of debate and your opinions on this does not matter. Their casualty counts are taken seriously by just about everyone, so as much as you hate it, there is nothing to be done. They are the standard.
I'm far from the only one here questioning the veracity of the stats that Hamas wants us to believe. Once again, it's only you and the KKK that lap up everything that Hamas dishes out yet question everything put out by Israel and the IDF even if documented by film evidence.

NEUTRALITY on display once again.

Again, matter of objective fact, as I proved with the actual numbers produced by the UN.
If they accepted the numbers, they'd state the same numbers. Not different ones.
But you just finished telling us how close the numbers were (what was it, 2%?) as proof of their numbers being independent. That was a quick 180. Maybe because I showed you that it proved the opposite. Propagandists would be shrewd enough to know to tweak the numbers a tad so they weren't exact.

First 2% were really close. Now 2% is a large enough disparity.

Man, I keep telling you that you need to proofread. Not for grammar, but for consistency in the neutral arguments you're (attempting yet failing) to put out.
 

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you are saying it as if it's a bad thing!

PS - I see that the lesson was lost on you :) oh well
Its really kept Israel peaceful, hasn't it?
Now you just want wars with Gaza, the West Bank, Syria, Lebanon, Yemen and Iran.

Israel really is a danger to world peace.
Your post proves it, you show its policy.
 

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This is also not complicated.
Please give us a list of all the countries in the world that give non-citizens the right to vote, let alone have ALL of the same rights as actual citizens.
Please give us a list of all the other apartheid countries where millions of indigenous people live under a rule where they are not given full human rights or citizenship.

How many other countries refuse to give the indigenous population citizenship?
 
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you are saying it as if it's a bad thing!

PS - I see that the lesson was lost on you :) oh well
Its really kept Israel peaceful, hasn't it?
Now you just want wars with Gaza, the West Bank, Syria, Lebanon, Yemen and Iran.

Israel really is a danger to world peace.
Your post proves it, you show its policy.
Israeli defence minister outlines new phase in Gaza war (msn.com)


CAIRO/GAZA/JERUSALEM (Reuters) -Defence Minister Yoav Gallant on Thursday outlined a new stage of Israel's war in Gaza: a more targeted approach in the north and further pursuit of Hamas leaders in the south while Israel seeks to free remaining hostages held by Hamas.

Under international pressure to shift to less intense combat operations and in the face of economic challenges, Israel has been drawing down its forces in Gaza to allow thousands of reservists to return to their jobs.
Gallant said in a statement that operations in the north would include raids, demolishing tunnels, air and ground strikes, and special forces operations.
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In the south, where most of Gaza's 2.3 million population now live in tents and other temporary shelters, the focus would be on wiping out Hamas leaders and rescuing some 130 Israeli hostages remaining of some 240 abducted on Oct. 7.
After the war Hamas would no longer control Gaza, Gallant said, adding that the enclave would be run by Palestinian bodies so long as there was no threat to Israel.

Aiming to help prevent the conflict from expanding, U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken was set to travel on Thursday to the Middle East for a week of diplomacy, the State Department said.
Earlier on Thursday Israeli shelling of the Gaza Strip killed more than 20 Palestinians, including 16 in Khan Younis in a southern coastal area packed with people who had fled from other parts of the enclave, Gaza health officials said.
Among the dead were nine children, they said. Separately five Palestinians were killed in an Israeli airstrike on a car in Al-Nusseirat refugee camp, health officials told Reuters. Gaza residents said Israeli planes and tanks had also bombarded two other refugee camps, prompting many to head south.
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Israel's war against Hamas is nearing the three-month mark amid international concern that the conflict is spreading beyond Gaza, drawing in the Israeli-occupied West Bank, Hezbollah forces on the Lebanon-Israel border, and Red Sea shipping lanes.
The concern grew after a drone strike on Tuesday killed Hamas deputy leader Saleh al-Arouri in Lebanon's capital Beirut. He was buried in the Palestinian camp of Shatila in the city on Thursday, amid throngs of mourners launching volleys of gunfire.

Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah vowed on Wednesday that his powerful Iran-backed Shi'ite militia "cannot be silent" following the killing, but he made no concrete threats to act against Israel in support of Hamas.
Hezbollah has been embroiled in nearly daily exchanges of shelling with Israel across Lebanon's southern border since the Gaza war began.
Israel neither confirmed nor denied assassinating Arouri. It has promised to annihilate Hamas following the Islamist group's assault in southern Israel on Oct. 7 in which Israel says 1,200 people were killed.
Israel's ground and air blitz has laid waste to Gaza. The total recorded Palestinian death toll had reached 22,438 by Thursday - almost 1% of its 2.3 million population, the Gaza health ministry said.
Israel has said it has killed 8,000 fighters in Gaza.
Adding to the violence in the region, two explosions on Wednesday killed nearly 100 people during a memorial ceremony for the late Iranian General Qasem Soleimani at the cemetery in southeastern Iran where he is buried. The militant Sunni Muslim group Islamic State claimed responsibility.
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In Thursday's reported strike in Al-Mawasi on the western side of Khan Younis, Israeli shells landed near tents erected in the area by displaced people, health ministry officials said.
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Hezbollah affiliated civil defence member sprays water at a damaged site in the aftermath of what security sources said was an Israeli drone strike in Beirut's southern suburbs of Dahiyeh, Lebanon January 3, 2024. REUTERS/Mohamed Azakir© Thomson Reuters
Footage on Palestinian media showed several bodies wrapped in blankets inside a hospital morgue in Khan Younis.
"Nowhere is safe in Gaza. Wherever you go, there are strikes. In the country, next to the camps, in Al-Mawasi. There is no safe space," said Bahaa Abu Hatab, the brother of one of the dead.
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The Palestinian Red Crescent said its headquarters in Khan Younis was hit, killing one person and wounding others.
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In its daily briefing, the Israeli military said Israeli warplanes killed three Hamas militants who had tried to detonate explosive next to ground troops, and Israeli soldiers killed two more.
Later the military said soldiers had destroyed an underground military compound on the Gaza Strip coast with a weapons cache including mortars, grenades, and RPG missiles.

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Israeli bombardments have flattened much of the densely populated enclave and created a humanitarian disaster. Most Gazans have been left homeless, with food shortages threatening famine.
On Thursday, people poured out of Al-Bureij, Al-Maghazi and Al-Nusseirat refugee camps following attacks, with some families riding on donkey carts loaded with mattresses, luggage and children. Rain has turned earth to mud, adding to the misery.
Over the course of the war, the Israeli military has expressed regret for civilian deaths but it accuses Hamas of operating in densely populated areas and using civilians as human shields, a charge the group denies.
So you're saying your claim they were days away from winning was a lie?

How many have to die do you think before Israel stops?
 
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shack

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500K dead palis is better then 4m dead Palis.
Nice try.

According to Wikipedia:
In 2000 the combined population of Gaza and the West Bank was 3.11 million
The current population is a bit over. 4.5 million.
That's an increase of close to 50%.

And you guys want us to believe that Israel is committed to genocide? They are damn incompetent.
Like you people don't know how to stop lying.

When I said nice try, I meant nice try at deception.

So just to clarify, you'll also be satisfied with 500,000 dead Palestinians, just like frank? You are cool with that?
 
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shack

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Christianity is/was far more violent than Islam ever was. Just ask the Jews.
Let's talk about current events instead of 2,000 years ago.

Islam is easily the most violent religion currently. Compared to all other major religions they have not evolved. Still the same mentality that brought on the Crusades. Nobody exports terrorism globally more than the Muslims.

I think this is a phrase that you've used to justify things like Oct. 7.

If there's some Islamophobia here and there, keep in mind that "things don't happen in a vacuum".
 

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Let's talk about current events instead of 2,000 years ago.

Islam is easily the most violent religion currently. Compared to all other major religions they have not evolved. Still the same mentality that brought on the Crusades. Nobody exports terrorism globally more than the Muslims.

I think this is a phrase that you've used to justify things like Oct. 7.

If there's some Islamophobia here and there, keep in mind that "things don't happen in a vacuum".
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