Israel at war

Leimonis

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Were that true you'd also have to admit Likud is genocidal.
nope

millions of arabs live in israel, they are in parliament and sitting on supreme court

nothing like that is happening with jews anywhere in the middle east where arabs are in power. Not even close.
 

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nope

millions of arabs live in israel, they are in parliament and sitting on supreme court

nothing like that is happening with jews anywhere in the middle east where arabs are in power. Not even close.
True, there is nowhere else that is apartheid.

Israel is still killing children and you're still defending them.
 

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There is one more person who justifies terrorism.
Targeting civilians is terrorism.

When will you call out terrorism and stop supporting it?
I just called out terrorism...everyday...
I don't support them at all...
They're pathetic? What do you think?
On the destruction of Israel:

"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it." (Preamble)



The exclusive Moslem nature of the area:


"The land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf [Holy Possession] consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgment Day. No one can renounce it or any part, or abandon it or any part of it." (Article 11)

"Palestine is an Islamic land... Since this is the case, the Liberation of Palestine is an individual duty for every Moslem wherever he may be." (Article 13)



The call to jihad:


"The day the enemies usurp part of Moslem land, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Moslem. In the face of the Jews' usurpation, it is compulsory that the banner of Jihad be raised." (Article 15)

"Ranks will close, fighters joining other fighters, and masses everywhere in the Islamic world will come forward in response to the call of duty, loudly proclaiming: 'Hail to Jihad!'. This cry will reach the heavens and will go on being resounded until liberation is achieved, the invaders vanquished and Allah's victory comes about." (Article 33)



Rejection of a negotiated peace settlement:


"[Peace] initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement... Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the infidels as arbitrators in the lands of Islam... There is no solution for the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility." (Article 13)



Condemnation of the Israel-Egypt Peace Treaty:


"Egypt was, to a great extent, removed from the circle of struggle [against Zionism] through the treacherous Camp David Agreement. The Zionists are trying to draw other Arab countries into similar agreements in order to bring them outside the circle of struggle. ...Leaving the circle of struggle against Zionism is high treason, and cursed be he who perpetrates such an act." (Article 32)



Anti-Semitic incitement:


The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him."
 
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Leimonis

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Jews lived peacefully under Arab Muslim majority rule, far longer than Arabs have lived under Jewish rule.
yeah let's all get time machines and go live in the past
 

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True, there is nowhere else that is apartheid.

Israel is still killing children and you're still defending them.
If Hamas stops firing rockets, and release hostages, ceasefire would be met quick...but they won't....
 

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richaceg

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Jews lived peacefully under Arab Muslim majority rule, far longer than Arabs have lived under Jewish rule.
You have evidence that's true? Jews get treated pretty bad during Ottoman, Roman, Arab rules...
 

richaceg

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There are over 1 million children in Gaza.
Are you calling them all terrorists or civilians?
When will say its wrong to kill children?
When will you say its wrong to starve and deprive children of water?


I agree with you...it's wrong to kill children and civilians and seek refuge behind them at times of war....so why do you keep supporting Hamas who actually killed civilians, children point blank?
 

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That does not make colonization okay. Now granted that enough time has passed so we should not be focused on it anymore, because I do agree Israel today is a legitimate state.

However, the oppression of the Palestinian people is very real, and the baffling part is that you do not consider said oppression, oppression.

Let me make a few points:

1. It is not wrong to hate the west. The west has done many hateful things in the middle east like wars, invasions and economic exploitation of the middle east. What the west should do is to leave them alone or develop good relations with them on an equal footing.
2. You say children are indoctrinated to hate? Well here is a picture for you, where Jewish Israeli children are writing messages for the Lebanese (I think this was during the Lebanon war) on the bombs Israel was going to drop on them. This isn't indoctrination for you? What would you do if your child were to behave that way? What kind of parent even lets a child do this? Ill tell you - the racist, kind.

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3. Israel's oppression of the Palestinian people and stealing of lands, is horrible.

The land wasnt stolen dude, but continue believeing your propaganda. And no I dont believe the Israeli govt are saints (they were one of the govts who forced the covid shot against their citizens) nor do they value Palestinian lives. The current conflict gives off 9/11 vibes. Govt can be complicit in allowing attacks to happen to further their agenda. It also doesnt mean the terrorists are any less than savages.

As for the child indoctrination, there are plenty of examples of Islamic suicide bombers. Hamas terrorists. These are undeniable. When we see Israeli suicide bombers carrying out atrocities against other ethnic groups, we can talk. Whats the first demographic the avg person thinks of when they think of a terrorist? Majority would likely say Arab Muslims.

While one person doesnt represent an entire population, if the polls are to be believed (which I do because you see first hand many many free palestine protestors worldwide declare oct 7 was necessary resistance) theres a SIGNIFICANT portion of the Arab Muslim world who believe the Oct 7 massacre was justified. It isnt justified, period.

Which leads me back to what I said about hamas. They are the ones committing oppression. Humanitarian aid wont go to “their people”. The sooner you and anyone who wants to advocate for the free palestine movement condemns and demands the release of hostages and hamas’ unconditional surrender, is when the bloodshed ends. Theres no way hamas didnt see this Israeli govt response. They dont give AF about “their ppl”. And yet I have rarely seen anyone on the free palestine movement offer a realistic peaceful solution. Only a 1 state proposal that if not accepted, Israel needs to be wiped off the map.

When you align your movement with terrorists, thats probably not going to relate to any sane person. What was Israel supposed to do after Oct 7, lay down their weapons?
 

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That does not make colonization okay. Now granted that enough time has passed so we should not be focused on it anymore, because I do agree Israel today is a legitimate state.

However, the oppression of the Palestinian people is very real, and the baffling part is that you do not consider said oppression, oppression.

Let me make a few points:

1. It is not wrong to hate the west. The west has done many hateful things in the middle east like wars, invasions and economic exploitation of the middle east. What the west should do is to leave them alone or develop good relations with them on an equal footing.
2. You say children are indoctrinated to hate? Well here is a picture for you, where Jewish Israeli children are writing messages for the Lebanese (I think this was during the Lebanon war) on the bombs Israel was going to drop on them. This isn't indoctrination for you? What would you do if your child were to behave that way? What kind of parent even lets a child do this? Ill tell you - the racist, kind.

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3. Israel's oppression of the Palestinian people and stealing of lands, is horrible.

I will raise your picture with this video...
 
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Those are crimes. Don't confuse crimes with laws. Crimes happen here as well. A white guy mowed down a Muslim family a few years ago. There are race based attacks. There are nutjobs who mass murder people. So? Crimes do not equal culture. If you argue that for them, then you have to accept the same criticism for Canada as well.

Don't try to justify racism.
What race is Islam?
 
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No they weren't. They lived well. After Israel's formation some of them may have faced backlash.



Of course it was stolen. Israel will tell you they took the land after they conquered it etc., However, it is true that they forcefully evict Palestinians with IDF support and protection, illegally build settlements and so on.



I think several others. I think of the Japanse Kamikaze bombers, suicide submarines and the like. I think of the LTTE who killed the Indian PM, Rajiv Gandhi with a suicide bomb. I also think of Muslim suicide bombings. So? Terrorists exist everywhere. Currently the breeding ground for the majority terrorism is the Islamic world, because of western interefernce and military action. You bomb a guy's family and kill them, he has nothing to lose. He is very easy to recruit to a terrorist group. Which is why military action against terrorism always backfires and creates MORE terrorism.



Yes, October 7 wasn't justified.

What they are however telling you, that you are not listening to, is that this October 7 attack is a symptom of a larger issue, that has existed for 50+ years. That is undeniable. The action by Hamas isn't justified, but it is what it has come to given all these years of oppression.

So while rooting out Hamas (with methods other than carpet bombings) is necessary, a more focused and sincere attempt at a diplomatic solution to find long term peace is equally necessary.



Yes Hamas oppresses the Palestinians. So do the Israelis.

Okay, you say this about Gaza. What about the West Bank? Why are the Palestinians there oppressed by Israel? There is no Hamas there. So why does this happen even there?

The fundamental characteristic of the Israeli state is that it is a racist, colonial power, that wants to rid the lands of the Palestinians. That is at the heart of their motivations.



Okay, you are a Xenophobe and an Islamophobe. Happy?
I'm fine with immigration. Love having the food options, and additions for culture. I just don't like Islamo-facism. Or worshipers of extremist religions period who will hurt the fabric of the nice Liberal Secular Democracy we have here.
 
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The land wasnt stolen dude, but continue believeing your propaganda. And no I dont believe the Israeli govt are saints (they were one of the govts who forced the covid shot against their citizens) nor do they value Palestinian lives. The current conflict gives off 9/11 vibes. Govt can be complicit in allowing attacks to happen to further their agenda. It also doesnt mean the terrorists are any less than savages.

As for the child indoctrination, there are plenty of examples of Islamic suicide bombers. Hamas terrorists. These are undeniable. When we see Israeli suicide bombers carrying out atrocities against other ethnic groups, we can talk. Whats the first demographic the avg person thinks of when they think of a terrorist? Majority would likely say Arab Muslims.

While one person doesnt represent an entire population, if the polls are to be believed (which I do because you see first hand many many free palestine protestors worldwide declare oct 7 was necessary resistance) theres a SIGNIFICANT portion of the Arab Muslim world who believe the Oct 7 massacre was justified. It isnt justified, period.

Which leads me back to what I said about hamas. They are the ones committing oppression. Humanitarian aid wont go to “their people”. The sooner you and anyone who wants to advocate for the free palestine movement condemns and demands the release of hostages and hamas’ unconditional surrender, is when the bloodshed ends. Theres no way hamas didnt see this Israeli govt response. They dont give AF about “their ppl”. And yet I have rarely seen anyone on the free palestine movement offer a realistic peaceful solution. Only a 1 state proposal that if not accepted, Israel needs to be wiped off the map.

When you align your movement with terrorists, thats probably not going to relate to any sane person. What was Israel supposed to do after Oct 7, lay down their weapons?
Israel is the military occupying power, they have occupied Palestine for 75 years.


 
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