Israel at war

[Frankfooter]

Israel will extinguish Hamas as a military/terrorist threat.

Hamas will continue on, but without the resources to threaten Israel with terrorism.

There are 1 million children living in Gaza who weren't born when Hamas was elected and came to power.
This will be their 5th war they have lived through.

If they live through this do you think they will want to live peacefully under continuing Israeli occupation?

 

[Frankfooter]

Israel will extinguish Hamas as a military/terrorist threat.

Hamas will continue on, but without the resources to threaten Israel with terrorism.

You sound like this guy.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1712877548420345989

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1711982388585046315

 

[Frankfooter]

Yeah but did those wars happen without reason, or because of Hamas/Hezbollah terrorism? This conflict is a two way street. It is not just Israel's fault. I feel like you are only making the case based on stuff you read in left wing media, but not based on the realities of the situations that Israelis and Palestinians find themselves in.

They are both guilty, both wrong, and are both victims of each other's madness and unreasonableness.

The occupation predates Hamas by about 40 years. Same with Hezbollah. Both came about in reaction to the continuing occupation. Hamas was aided by Netanyahu as a way to keep Palestinians split in a Fatah/Hamas divide, to keep them from uniting.

Its not a two way street. Its a 75 year long occupation with the indigenous people constantly trying to resist the occupation and take the land stolen from them back. Only one side has an army. Only one side is funded by the west.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1715911740871835995

 

[Gators]

I think that is an overstatement. Bibi wont be the one to bring peace or statehood though - essentially he wont be the one to solve problems.

This is what he has wanted for the past 15 years. There will be new generations for next few centuries that will remember what Israel has done.

 

[Darts]

nothing but Jewish supremacist.

But, he is always quick to get on his high horse and (falsely) accuse others of racism/racist.

 

[Frankfooter]

But, he is always quick to get on his high horse and (falsely) accuse others of racism/racist.

You think you have to get on a high horse to criticize apartheid and genocide?

 

[Frankfooter]

The occupation happened because of the 6 day war, which the Arab nations started. So it is very much a 2 way street.

The 6 day war happened because of the British partition plan, which Palestinians did not ask for and were against. For them it was a betrayal as they had backed the Brits in exchange for their own state. A bit like the way the Sikhs were promised their own state for backing the Brits. See a pattern?

 

[mellowjello]

But, he is always quick to get on his high horse and (falsely) accuse others of racism/racist.

Endlessly, and without shame.

 

[Anbarandy]

You sound like this guy.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1712877548420345989

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1711982388585046315

No, not at all.

What part of Hamas, terrorist organization, funded, armed to the teeth and directed by Iran being extinguished and being deprived of their terrorist resources and infrastructure which has proven to be an existential military/terrorist threat to Israel are you unable and unwilling to comprehend?

Hamas, Hamas, Hamas.

 

[shack]

No shack, I keep calling for a ceasefire.

Sure. So Hamas can replenish, reload and attack again when they feel like. They have no honour. You understand that concept, don't you. Not a good strategy for Israel.

Hamas started it and Israel will end "it". And by "it" I specifically and exclusively mean the Hamas terrorist organization. They will no longer exist. Israel will be safer and the residents of Gaza will be liberated from the oppressive rule of Hamas who continues to use aid intended for the Gazan people for their own violent/evil purposes and show total disregard for their own people by neglecting their needs, putting them in harm's way by using them as human shields and forcing Israel to retaliate.

It's a win:win:win situation. Gazans, Israel and the world. The only losers are the the Hamas terrorist organization and you.

You call for a ceasefire and I call for you to condemn the Oct. 7 attack as an act of terrorism.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1716071532571639904

 

[Darts]

A bit like the way the Sikhs were promised their own state for backing the Brits.

Yes, but the Sikhs got nothing at all. Not even a small piece of the Punjab.

 

[dirtyharry555]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1716071532571639904

No doubt she knows who employs her. She chose principle over money.

 

[Frankfooter]

No, not at all.

What part of Hamas, terrorist organization, funded, armed to the teeth and directed by Iran being extinguished and being deprived of their terrorist resources and infrastructure which has proven to be an existential military/terrorist threat to Israel are you unable and unwilling to comprehend?

Hamas, Hamas, Hamas.

What part of terrorist Israel, funded by $3.8 billion US annually, continuing a 75 year old occupation against the indigenous population are you unwilling to comprehend?

If your concern is terrorism, then join the 80% of Canadians who call for both sides to be investigated and held to the law.
But if your concern is to back Jewish supremacists in continuing a colonial settler movement while committing genocide, how many do you think will join you?

These people are with me. Nobody is protesting for Israel.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1716113482804851150

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1716116458659262688

 

[Frankfooter]

Yes, but the Sikhs got nothing at all. Not even a small piece of the Punjab.

And Palestine has been wiped off the map.
Violently.

The protests will continue.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1716122195938750588

 

[Frankfooter]

So are you saying the 6 day war was justified?

Regardless of that, if they wanted Palestinian statehood, why did they not form one after Gaza was occupied by Egypt and West Bank by Jordan?

Also you forget, the only people there are not just the Palestinians. The Israelis have just as much a claim to the land as the Palestinians do. So it is not just the Palestinian preference that is important here.

Because if you argue that it is, then you are basically saying Jews do not have a right to the land, or that Israel should not have a right to exist. Is that your position?



Sikhs were never promised a state of their own. They infact agreed to not have a state of their own and join India. And they currently don't want it either. But that is irrelevant to this and let us not derail this thread with an unrelated topic. There are 2 threads for our resident TERBite's Khalistan fetish/pipe dream.

Before partition and the influx of zionists the Jewish population was about 7% of Palestine.
I don't think any wars are justified but then again, partition wasn't justified either. It was stupid of the Brits to solve a European problem on the backs of Palestinians.

Most Israeli Jews are immigrants and there are also still 5 million Palestinian refugees that were ethnically cleansed during Nabka 1.0. I don't know why you're posting here if you don't know the basics of the history, is it just because its another forum for Islamaphobia?

Sikhs were promised a state, you should know.

 

[Leimonis]

So are you saying the 6 day war was justified?

Regardless of that, if they wanted Palestinian statehood, why did they not form one after Gaza was occupied by Egypt and West Bank by Jordan?

Also you forget, the only people there are not just the Palestinians. The Israelis have just as much a claim to the land as the Palestinians do. So it is not just the Palestinian preference that is important here.

Because if you argue that it is, then you are basically saying Jews do not have a right to the land, or that Israel should not have a right to exist. Is that your position?



Sikhs were never promised a state of their own. They infact agreed to not have a state of their own and join India. And they currently don't want it either. But that is irrelevant to this and let us not derail this thread with an unrelated topic. There are 2 threads for our resident TERBite's Khalistan fetish/pipe dream.

An idea that israel with population of 7 million can demolish the wall and absorb 2 mln Gazans is absurd.
Hamas will simply spread everywhere in the West Bank and beyond and will not stop until israel doesn’t exist anymore.
That’s why all the calls for “end of occupation” are either naive or malicious.

 

[Frankfooter]

Illinois lawyer fired from comptroller’s office after antisemitic tirade

“Hitler should have eradicated all of you,” Chowdhury wrote in one message.

thepostmillennial.com

So then the Israeli Defense Minister should be fired as well?
Though of course he's actually doing it, not just saying it.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1712877548420345989

 

[Frankfooter]

An idea that israel with population of 7 million can demolish the wall and absorb 2 mln Gazans is absurd.
Hamas will simply spread everywhere in the West Bank and beyond and will not stop until israel doesn’t exist anymore.
That’s why all the calls for “end of occupation” are either naive or malicious.

That's why it was incredibly stupid to let Israel wipe Palestine off the map.
And why Israel is talking about genocide or ethnic cleansing.

Jews are now the minority in Israel.

The zionists fucked up and now are trying to fix their demographic problem through genocide.

Jews now a 47% minority in Israel and the territories, demographer says

Arnon Soffer says proportion of Jews between Mediterranean Sea and Jordan River lower than widely believed when non-citizens are taken into account

www.timesofisrael.com

So you get a choice between backing genocide or calling for a ceasefire and the end of apartheid.
There is no two state choice any more.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1713551569096986677

 

[Frankfooter]

But regardless of whether or not you consider the British partition as justified, that is 100 year old history. Israel is a sovereign, established, recognized state TODAY where the majority of its citizens were born and raised there.

Actually no, its not settled or recognized.

Not a single Israeli supporter on this board has ever been able to respond to multiple requests to provide a map of where they think the borders of Israel lie. Not one. They are still stuck between admitting the one state apartheid solution is in place and saying its all Israel or admitting its an illegal occupation and the two state solution has been screwed. Even when they claim they support the two state solution they can't say what they think the borders of Palestine would be. If you can't get them to tell you where their country is, why are you supporting it?

On top of that there is no international recognition of any borders for Israel besides the British 1947 Partition plan. Even the 1967 'borders' require admitting Israel committed a war crime and acquired land by war.

So in sum:

1. Israel has a right to exist and that has to be acknowledged.
2. Any peace or statehood has to be negotiated on present day realities. Not on pre-1948, 1949 or 1967. Those days are long gone.
3. The Nabka refugees are no longer refugees and should not have a right to return.

PS: Sikhs were never promised a state. 60% of Punjab went to Pakistan, so if they want one today, let them go to Pakistan and ask them. Again don't derail this one with this unrelated issue. Post it in the other thread.

1. Countries do not have a right to exist. Please find the law that backs this claim if you think its real.
2. Too late, Palestine has been wiped off the map and there is not enough contiguous land to make a Palestinian state. The apartheid one state solution is in effect.
3. The UN recognizes the Right of Return for Palestinian Refugees and Israel refuses to abide by dozens of UN resolutions calling for their return.