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Klatuu

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There you go, running away once again. All you can do is deflect.

The UNGA seems to think that Israel is smart by NOT committing genocide.

But let's get back to you and how you've consistently admitted that it is your opinion that you believe that 100% of Israeli Jews are Zionists.
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Klatuu

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I do know what my opinion is and I've repeatedly stated it. I don't have to guess. I'll even say it again.

My opinion is that you believe 100% of Israeli Jews are Zionists. And I know that my opinion is correct because you've never offered an alternate percentage despite being given the opportunity to do so dozens of times.

That way you can justify all Jews being driven into the sea.
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Klatuu

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Genocide. For the simpering deniers

There is an increasing consensus that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza because the evidence is overwhelming. Here is a reminder of some of the available and useful resources: An initial syllabus:

13 October 2023, Raz Segal, https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide

15 October 2023: Public Statement: Over 800 Scholars Warn of Potential Genocide in Gaza https://twailr.com/public-statement-scholars-warn-of-potential-genocide-in-gaza/

2 November: UN experts call to prevent genocide: https://un.org/unispal/document/gaza-is-running-out-of-time-un-experts-warn-demanding-a-ceasefire-to-prevent-genocide/

16 November: UN experts call to prevent genocide: https://ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/11/gaza-un-experts-call-international-community-prevent-genocide-against

16 November, William Schabas: https://ccrjustice.org/sites/default/files/attach/2023/11/Declaration%20Expert%20William%20Schabas_w.pdf

16 November: Holocaust and genocide scholars John Cox, Victoria Sanford, and Barry Trachtenberg declaration, https://ccrjustice.org/sites/default/files/attach/2023/11/Historians%20Declaration_w.pdf

29 December, South Africa submission to ICJ: https://icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20231228-app-01-00-en.pdf

29 May, South Africa's dossier of evidence of Israel's genocidal intent, the UN Security Council: **************************************/nb6ua4a5

Martin Shaw, https://x.com/martinshawx/status/1820389008880361676
UN Expert Francesca Albanese, first report on the Genocide (March 2024): https://ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/hrbodies/hrcouncil/sessions-regular/session55/advance-versions/a-hrc-55-73-auv.pdf

UN Expert Francesca Albanese, second report on the Genocide (October 2024): https://documents.un.org/doc/undoc/gen/n24/279/68/pdf/n2427968.pdf

John Quigley, “Legal Standard for Genocide Intent: An Uphill Climb for Israel in Gaza Suit”, 14 March, EJIL: https://ejiltalk.org/legal-standard-for-genocide-intent-an-uphill-climb-for-israel-in-gaza-suit/

UK Judges’ and Lawyers’ Open Letter Concerning Gaza, 3 April 2024: https://lawyersletter.uk

Jinan Bastaki, Gaza, Forced Displacement, and Genocide”, EJIL, April 2024, https://ejiltalk.org/gaza-forced-displacement-and-genocide/

Nimer Sultany, “A Threshold Crossed: On Genocidal Intent and the Duty to Prevent Genocide in Palestine”, May 2024: https://tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14623528.2024.2351261

University Network for Human Rights report, May 2024: https://humanrightsnetwork.org/publications/genocide-in-gaza

Aryeh Neier, NYRB, 6 June 2024: https://nybooks.com/articles/2024/06/06/is-israel-committing-genocide-aryeh-neier/?srsltid=AfmBOopOf1xbf1Ucx3Bvo11nN7VEEL-J7IA6jCNd9mhgWGeSUcLgQ9Y7

UN Commission of Inquiry, 10 June: Detailed findings on the military operations and attacks carried out in the Occupied Palestinian Territory from 7 October to 31 December 2023: https://ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/hrbodies/hrcouncil/sessions-regular/session56/a-hrc-56-crp-4.pdf

Oxfam, Water War Crimes report, July 2024: https://oxfam.org/en/press-releases/israel-using-water-weapon-war-gaza-supply-plummets-94-creating-deadly-health

Omer Bartov, 13 August: https://theguardian.com/world/article/2024/aug/13/israel-gaza-historian-omer-bartov

Haaretz, “The Numbers Show: Gaza War Is One of the Bloodiest in the 21st Century”, 14 August: https://haaretz.com/middle-east-news/palestinians/2024-08-14/ty-article-magazine/.premium/the-death-toll-in-gaza-is-bad-even-compared-to-the-wars-in-ukraine-iraq-and-myanmar/00000191-50c6-d6a2-a7dd-d1decf340000

Maryam Jamshidi, On Genocidal Intent, August: https://opiniojuris.org/2024/08/02/reflecting-on-genocidal-intent-in-the-icj-case/

Forensic Architecture: cartographic analysis of the genocide in support of South Africa’s case in the ICJ: https://forensic-architecture.org/investigation/a-cartography-of-genocide

AOAV analysis that shows that vast majority of killed in Gaza are civilians: https://aoav.org.uk/2024/casualties-in-gaza-israels-claims-of-50-combatant-deaths-dont-add-up-at-least-74-of-the-dead-are-civilians/

10 October 2024: UN Commission of Inquiry: Israel’s destruction of the health system in Gaza https://ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/10/un-commission-finds-war-crimes-and-crimes-against-humanity-israeli-attacks

8 November 2024: UN Commission of Inquiry: 70 percent of verified victims (October - 30 April) were children and women: https://ohchr.org/en/documents/reports/six-month-update-report-human-rights-situation-gaza-1-november-2023-30-april-2024

12 November 2024: 8 aid organisations of the systematic violation ICJ orders on humanitarian assistance, thereby establishing genocidal intent: https://oxfam.org/en/press-releases/joint-release-israel-receives-failing-grade-us-demands-gaza

14 November 2024: UN Special Committee Report https://ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/11/un-special-committee-finds-israels-warfare-methods-gaza-consistent-genocide
 
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mandrill

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Not taking sides here, but was I the only one who saw Israel's tactic of "eliminating" Hamas as the greatest recruiting drive for more Hamas volunteers?

Not really.

Before the invasion, HAMAS controlled Gaza absolutely - including all aspects of education and the justice system - and handed out public "street justice" to anyone it didn't like. There are videos of beatings and tortures of non conformists. Under those circumstances, anyone who wanted to do well and get ahead, signed on for HAMAS.

You could be quietly non aligned, I guess. As long as you were very, very, very fucking quiet about it. But you couldn't oppose HAMAS. Or you would die.

Under those circumstances, HAMAS recruited fully and happily anyone who wanted to get ahead. And the education system - which was all about jihad and killing Jews - supported everything HAMAS did and wanted.

You have to stop thinking of Gaza as a western type country.
 

mandrill

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Equivlant to 7 nuclear bombs and only 50k dead, Israel is doing a hell of a job avoiding civilians
Kinda difficult to avoid civilians when HAMAS strongpoints are in schools and hospitals.

What's Israel supposed to do?...... Charge HAMAS machine gun nests with pointy sticks?

Any competent commander is going to save his men's lives and call in an airstrike or artillery.
 

mandrill

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Not taking sides here, but was I the only one who saw Israel's tactic of "eliminating" Hamas as the greatest recruiting drive for more Hamas volunteers?

Is that Ritter, the convicted pedophile who ran to Russia to avoid jail and now lies for Putin as a full time occupation??.....

Oh my goodness, it is!!!!

Lesson #1
- Russia sows dissension in the west whenever it can find dumb westerners to believe Putin's horseshit. And Russia selects wedge issues like Gaza to exploit and run with.

1 of the truly sad horseshit things in this thread is how WELL KNOWN LONG TIME PUTIN INTERNET SHILLS WHO HAVE BEEN OUTED OVER AND OVER AGAIN FOR A DECADE - have now all suddenly come out as pro HAMAS and then you and Frankie and Klattie re post their lies.

I point this out again and again. There are wiki articles on how corrupt, dishonest and vile many of these "spokespersons" are - Hinckley, Max Blumenthal, Ritter - all totally discredited from YEARS AGO - WELL BEFORE THE GAZA INVASION.

These vile lying turds are just dragged out again whenever Putin wants to create division and given podiums and then silly idiots believe and re post them.
 
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Klatuu

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Not really.

Before the invasion, HAMAS controlled Gaza absolutely - including all aspects of education and the justice system - and handed out public "street justice" to anyone it didn't like. There are videos of beatings and tortures of non conformists. Under those circumstances, anyone who wanted to do well and get ahead, signed on for HAMAS.

You could be quietly non aligned, I guess. As long as you were very, very, very fucking quiet about it. But you couldn't oppose HAMAS. Or you would die.

Under those circumstances, HAMAS recruited fully and happily anyone who wanted to get ahead. And the education system - which was all about jihad and killing Jews - supported everything HAMAS did and wanted.

You have to stop thinking of Gaza as a western type country.
Racist hallucinations
 
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Klatuu

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Kinda difficult to avoid civilians when HAMAS strongpoints are in schools and hospitals.

What's Israel supposed to do?...... Charge HAMAS machine gun nests with pointy sticks?

Any competent commander is going to save his men's lives and call in an airstrike or artillery.
Racist hallucinations
 
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Klatuu

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Is that Ritter, the convicted pedophile who ran to Russia to avoid jail and now lies for Putin as a full time occupation??.....

Oh my goodness, it is!!!!

Lesson #1
- Russia sows dissension in the west whenever it can find dumb westerners to believe Putin's horseshit. And Russia selects wedge issues like Gaza to exploit and run with.

1 of the truly sad horseshit things in this thread is how WELL KNOWN LONG TIME PUTIN INTERNET SHILLS WHO HAVE BEEN OUTED OVER AND OVER AGAIN FOR A DECADE - have now all suddenly come out as pro HAMAS and then you and Frankie and Klattie re post their lies.

I point this out again and again. There are wiki articles on how corrupt, dishonest and vile many of these "spokespersons" are - Hinckley, Max Blumenthal, Ritter - all totally discredited from YEARS AGO - WELL BEFORE THE GAZA INVASION.

These vile lying turds are just dragged out again whenever Putin wants to create division and given podiums and then silly idiots believe and re post them.
As soon as someone starts using fonts of different sizes and colors you know they are on thin ice.

Scott Ritter did not run to Russia to avoid jail. He, in fact, served his sentence in an American prison and remains a resident of the US.
 

Frankfooter

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There you go, running away once again. All you can do is deflect.

The UNGA seems to think that Israel is smart by NOT committing genocide.

But let's get back to you and how you've consistently admitted that it is your opinion that you believe that 100% of Israeli Jews are Zionists.
You sound crazier and crazier, Shazi.
Now you are arguing that the UN thinks Israel is smart for committing genocide two days after they issued a report declaring Israel is committing genocide.
Then you repeat that really stupid lie about your personal feelies that you think all Israeli Jews are genocidal zionists so therefore everyone else must too.

Tell us why you think Israel is smart for this again.
 

Frankfooter

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Not really.

Before the invasion, HAMAS controlled Gaza absolutely - including all aspects of education and the justice system - and handed out public "street justice" to anyone it didn't like. There are videos of beatings and tortures of non conformists. Under those circumstances, anyone who wanted to do well and get ahead, signed on for HAMAS.

You could be quietly non aligned, I guess. As long as you were very, very, very fucking quiet about it. But you couldn't oppose HAMAS. Or you would die.

Under those circumstances, HAMAS recruited fully and happily anyone who wanted to get ahead. And the education system - which was all about jihad and killing Jews - supported everything HAMAS did and wanted.

You have to stop thinking of Gaza as a western type country.
Gaza is part of the Occupied Territories of Palestine.
It is not yet a country though its recognized by the UN and the UN and ICJ ordered Israel to end their occupation within a year and pay restitution.

Your hate filled rant about how evil you think Hamas is does not justify the illegal occupation, apartheid and genocide.
All it does is confirm your support based on what is clearly your own racist views of Palestinians.

 

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Is that Ritter, the convicted pedophile who ran to Russia to avoid jail and now lies for Putin as a full time occupation??.....

Oh my goodness, it is!!!!

Lesson #1
- Russia sows dissension in the west whenever it can find dumb westerners to believe Putin's horseshit. And Russia selects wedge issues like Gaza to exploit and run with.

1 of the truly sad horseshit things in this thread is how WELL KNOWN LONG TIME PUTIN INTERNET SHILLS WHO HAVE BEEN OUTED OVER AND OVER AGAIN FOR A DECADE - have now all suddenly come out as pro HAMAS and then you and Frankie and Klattie re post their lies.

I point this out again and again. There are wiki articles on how corrupt, dishonest and vile many of these "spokespersons" are - Hinckley, Max Blumenthal, Ritter - all totally discredited from YEARS AGO - WELL BEFORE THE GAZA INVASION.

These vile lying turds are just dragged out again whenever Putin wants to create division and given podiums and then silly idiots believe and re post them.
 

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You sound crazier and crazier, Shazi.
No, I keep cornering you and you don't like it so you say that I'm crazy. Give us a percentage as nothing more than a guestimate. There is no actual right or wrong answer. The ONLY wrong thing for you is to avoid telling us your opinion. It just shows cowardice to not be able to admit your feelings.
Now you are arguing that the UN thinks Israel is smart for committing genocide two days after they issued a report declaring Israel is committing genocide.
No I'm not. That's stupid. If The UNGA thought that Israel committed genocide they would have passed a resolution saying such. Israel is smart for not stepping over the UNGA boundaries.
Then you repeat that really stupid lie about your personal feelies that you think all Israeli Jews are genocidal zionists so therefore everyone else must too.
Clearly a lie and a ridiculous one at that. Show the post where I said that and the post # in the thread in which it appeared. Time to run away or lie or deflect.
Tell us why you think Israel is smart.
I just did.
 

shack

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Gaza is part of the Occupied Territories of Palestine.
It is not yet a country though its recognized by the UN and the UN and ICJ ordered Israel to end their occupation within a year and pay restitution.

Your hate filled rant about how evil you think Hamas is does not justify the illegal occupation, apartheid and genocide.
All it does is confirm your support based on what is clearly your own racist views of Palestinians.
More confessions from Geno.
 
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