Israel’s War on the World

shack

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Vietnam was of similar strategic interest to the U.S. during the cold war.
Both China and Soviet Union had influence on North Vietnam. We know
how much more destruction resulted from the U.S meddling into the conflict
between the north and south Vietnam there. And we also know the U.S.
itself ended up losing only lives of its troops and all the money and arms
wasted in fighting the war and aiding the south. What vital interest of the U.S.
you think winning the Vietnam war would have served?

With the Middle East the one interest of the U.S. that could be threatened by
regional instability there is its dependence on oil imports from the gulf states.
To this day the U.S. (and Canada as well) are still buyers of oil from the region.
As such I can see having Israel as an ally watching over Saudi, Iraq and Iran to
be of strategic interest. As oil production outside the gulf region continue dwindling
at some point Israel-unfriendly gulf states could weaponize oil export again like
they did in the 1973 oil embargo.

Stripped of its oil resources the Middle East is a wasteland of little to no
value to the U.S. The visionary thing for the U.S. to do is to wean itself off
dependence on Middle East oil. If it is too challenging to cut back on oil
consumption a smart thing to do is to divest money away from fiancing
Israel to import of oil at premium prices. The U.S. will only stand to gain
more than it loses from a complete withdrawal from the Middle East.
Nobody said that Israel is the US' only ally. Just that Israel is the US' greatest ally in the region. Intelligence/spying/Mossad, technology, and a strong deterrence to Iran. Nobody does more to protect American interests in the ME
 

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Except, Shazi, that partnering with a genocidal racist regime has turned the world against the US. They're trying to kill the power of the UN and now the rest of the world is going to go it alone.
You are wrong. The US is NOT partnering with Hamas.
Even americans now hate their government.
Since the beginning of time, every single government has had domestic critics that hate them.
 

shack

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Correct, the US is partnering with the genocidal regime, not Hamas.
Hamas are the governors of Gaza. The current regime of Gaza and they are genocidal.. They want to kill all Israelis/Jews (genocide) and they have no problem using all of their own people as martyrs/human shields and letting them die by the thousands (incestuous genocide--the most evil of all).

The US is not partnering with Hamas, the genocidal regime. We agree.
 

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Bummer that Harris decided genocide is more important than winning
Bummer that the war in Gaza is but a tiny, tiny blip on the US political map. It won't move the needle. "It's the economy, stupid."
 

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Nobody said that Israel is the US' only ally. Just that Israel is the US' greatest ally in the region. Intelligence/spying/Mossad, technology, and a strong deterrence to Iran. Nobody does more to protect American interests in the ME
Do you seriously believe without Israel Iran will attack U.S. interest in
the ME? And what precisely are those interests?

During the Iraq-Iran war in the 1980's Israel was actually on the side of Iran
through providing intelligence support against attacks of a U.S.-backed
Saddam Hussein. It could be that Israel was in collusion with the U.S. to fuel the
conflict. The conflict was an opportunity to weaken both the enemy of the U.S. Iran
on one side and Israel's enemy Iraq on the other side. It must be great to see
Muslims killing Muslims for as long as 8 years not unlike fueling the Ukraine
war today to weaken Russia by financing the killing of more Slavs on both sides.

In the end it is not the U.S. whose interest was served by
the war which paved the path to Desert Storm I and eventually
the 2003 invasion into Iraq launched by Bush to take out
Israel's arch-enemy Saddam Hussein.

Without the presence of the U.S. it is Israel's interest that will be attacked.
It is time for the U.S. to leave the shithole that is the ME.
 

shack

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Do you seriously believe without Israel Iran will attack U.S. interest in
the ME? And what precisely are those interests?
Who here knows exactly what the US motivating interests are?

Let's ask the question another way. Do you feel that the US does not have ANY interests at all in the region. Obviously they DO, even if we don't know what they are. As such, that question of "what are their interests" is moot. Whatever those interests are, the US will want them protected. Mossad is one of the most sophisticated spy network/intelligence agencies in the world and clearly head and shoulders above anyone else in the region. It seems like they infiltrate all governments and terrorist entities throughout the Middle East. How did they know where Hanniya was going to be in Beirut and when he'd be there? They have informants planted throughout the ME. Knowledge (given to the US by Israel) is power and nobody can give them info about what's being said or planned better than Israel. The US needs Israeli intelligence.

Do you think that the US will just assume that Iran will not attack and then possibly be caught flat-footed/asleep at wheel. That's not the way the US works. Nobody trusts anybody else 100%. The US is going to entertain all possibilities and then play out the potential fallouts of many different scenarios. It's geopolitical chess, thinking 10 or 20 moves ahead. The US wants to leave no stone unturned in terms of looking after Number 1. Their assumption has to be that Iran will attack. If they are wrong, no harm done. Reverse that approach and they are leaving themselves dangerously exposed and vulnerable.

Without the presence of the U.S. it is Israel's interest that will be attacked.
It is time for the U.S. to leave the shithole that is the ME.
You may indeed be correct but....Realistically speaking and with all due respect, what do you think is the possibility of that actually happening? I think it's a pipe dream. The chances are slim to zero and slim left town. As we said at the top, it is unrealistic to think that the US has no interests in the region, even if we don't know precisely what they are and the US will protect them. History has shown that. They will NOT get out of the Middle East. That's the reality that future projections must be based upon.
 

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Who here knows exactly what the US motivating interests are?

Let's ask the question another way. Do you feel that the US does not have ANY interests at all in the region. Obviously they DO, even if we don't know what they are. As such, that question of "what are their interests" is moot. Whatever those interests are, the US will want them protected. Mossad is one of the most sophisticated spy network/intelligence agencies in the world and clearly head and shoulders above anyone else in the region. It seems like they infiltrate all governments and terrorist entities throughout the Middle East. How did they know where Hanniya was going to be in Beirut and when he'd be there? They have informants planted throughout the ME. Knowledge (given to the US by Israel) is power and nobody can give them info about what's being said or planned better than Israel. The US needs Israeli intelligence.

Do you think that the US will just assume that Iran will not attack and then possibly be caught flat-footed/asleep at wheel. That's not the way the US works. Nobody trusts anybody else 100%. The US is going to entertain all possibilities and then play out the potential fallouts of many different scenarios. It's geopolitical chess, thinking 10 or 20 moves ahead. The US wants to leave no stone unturned in terms of looking after Number 1. Their assumption has to be that Iran will attack. If they are wrong, no harm done. Reverse that approach and they are leaving themselves dangerously exposed and vulnerable.


You may indeed be correct but....Realistically speaking and with all due respect, what do you think is the possibility of that actually happening? I think it's a pipe dream. The chances are slim to zero and slim left town. As we said at the top, it is unrealistic to think that the US has no interests in the region, even if we don't know precisely what they are and the US will protect them. History has shown that. They will NOT get out of the Middle East. That's the reality that future projections must be based upon.
Haniyeh was in Tehran you doddering clown.
 

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Thank you, yes I am. You being a fervent Trump-supporting right winger I'm curious if Trump wins the election and gives BIBI more help to obliterate Lebanon and Iran will you still support Trump?
Why are you getting so flustered?
I said you're very consistent and you agreed.
We're in agreement.
 

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Every accusation by a Ziontologist is a confession
Moron. I didn't accuse anybody of anything.

shack said:
Bummer that the war in Gaza is but a tiny, tiny blip on the US political map. It won't move the needle. "It's the economy, stupid."
 
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Haniyeh was in Tehran you doddering clown.
Exactly you idiot. How did Israel know he'd be in Terhan and what dates and which unit he was in and when he'd be in his unit. The intel was gathered by Mossad who obviously had informants give them the info. The US relies on the intelligence that only Israel can provide for them.

Thank you for proving my point about how Israeli intelligence is of the highest quality in possible the whole world. You are a simpleton who needs everything explained to him.
 
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