Iran nukes

[Frankfooter]

Yet Franky coming here to bitch about Israel is okay?

Stop trying to turn the subject away from your claims about Iran.
You were caught lying here.
And yes, you were shown your errors and given the chance to say you made a mistake and instead continued knowing full well that you weren't telling the truth.
You lied.

 

[basketcase]

My claim is that Iran has absolutely no peaceful purpose for the 25,000 centrifuges they have working or in storage. A couple hundred centrifuges will sustain them even with 20 reactors.


And yes, I did misread. That doesn't change the farcical way you defend Iran's enrichment capacity.

 

[nottyboi]

My claim is that Iran has absolutely no peaceful purpose for the 25,000 centrifuges they have working or in storage. A couple hundred centrifuges will sustain them even with 20 reactors.


And yes, I did misread. That doesn't change the farcical way you defend Iran's enrichment capacity.

And where did you get this info that a couple of hundred centrifuges will supply 20 reactors? I only ask because it is complete nonsense.

http://thebulletin.org/hitting-sweet-spot-how-many-iranian-centrifuges7763

the article above indicates Iran would need 243,000 Gen 1 centrifuges just to supply Bushehr. They have stored the more advanced ones that can produce 5x as a guarantee against any cuts to foreign fuel supplies.

 

[nottyboi]

Not at all. Iran claims that they need 25,000 centrifuges to power enrich fuel for their commercial reactor. That's just nonsense. A couple hundred centrifuges would be more than enough to maintain a stockpile of 3.76% enriched fuel. Even better they can use a CANDU style reactor that works with natural or slightly enriched uranium (under 1%).

There is only one practical purpose for that many centrifuges.

Another question, where do you suppose Iran would buy a CANDU reactor when Canada will not sell them one?

 

[Frankfooter]

My claim is that Iran has absolutely no peaceful purpose for the 25,000 centrifuges they have working or in storage. A couple hundred centrifuges will sustain them even with 20 reactors.


And yes, I did misread. That doesn't change the farcical way you defend Iran's enrichment capacity.

Yesterday you were all "OMG they have enough uranium for 300 years! They must be building a bomb!!!!"
Today you're all "OMG they have 25,000 centrifuges but they only need 100!!! They must be building a bomb!!!"

Just give it up, you keep trying to demonize them but your sources suckered you into try to pass bullshit.
You didn't even take the time to properly read your sources and you now look like an idiot.

Trying to claim that they have too many centrifuges is just more of the same.

The only conceivable use of Iran's 25,000 reactors is to maintain a very short breakout time.

Annual matter consumption of a typical nuclear reactor is about 1.051 kg.
http://www.nuclear-power.net/nuclea...uel/fuel-consumption-of-conventional-reactor/

That means the fuel they have is sufficient for 193 years of operation for one reactor or 48.2 years for 4 reactors. Happy?

That's 277 years worth of fuel.
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Quite the record you have there for honesty and accuracy.

 

[nottyboi]

Well the irony of the nuclear enrichment cycle is they do not have enough centrifuges to produce enough nuclear fuel for their commercial purposes, however, they do have enough to possibly make some HE Uranium to build a bomb, but the limit on stockpile is how they have decided to control this. Making HE uranium will definitely take some time and their ability to make plutonium has been dismantled.

 

[basketcase]

Well the irony of the nuclear enrichment cycle is they do not have enough centrifuges to produce enough nuclear fuel for their commercial purposes, however, they do have enough to possibly make some HE Uranium to build a bomb, but the limit on stockpile is how they have decided to control this. Making HE uranium will definitely take some time and their ability to make plutonium has been dismantled.

Interesting. You are now saying that they can't enrich to 3.67% but they can enrich to 90%? That's an interesting "fact".

And it is obvious that you haven't even looked at a basic primer on nuclear enrichment.

 

[nottyboi]

Interesting. You are now saying that they can't enrich to 3.67% but they can enrich to 90%? That's an interesting "fact".

And it is obvious that you haven't even looked at a basic primer on nuclear enrichment.

They cannot legally enrich to 90%, but they have the knowledge to do so...I know this because they have already done it in the past. They shipped all their HE uranium to Russia under IAEA oversight. Once you have mastered enrichment you can get to HE by just repeating the cycle...

 

[basketcase]

They cannot legally enrich to 90%, but they have the knowledge to do so...I know this because they have already done it in the past. They shipped all their HE uranium to Russia under IAEA oversight. Once you have mastered enrichment you can get to HE by just repeating the cycle...

You do realize that 3.67% is on the way from natural 0.7% to 90% right?

But thanks for proving my point that Iran can easily produce weapon grade uranium any time they want to stop cooperating.

 

[Frankfooter]

You do realize that 3.67% is on the way from natural 0.7% to 90% right?

But thanks for proving my point that Iran can easily produce weapon grade uranium any time they want to stop cooperating.

Well, back from having lied about the amount of uranium Iran is keeping, now you have a new claim.
If Iran stops agreeing to the NPT they could make a bomb!

Well, duh.

That's why they are under inspection and why when idiots try to lie about them keeping to the NPT only lessen the chance of this nuclear treaty holding.

 

[basketcase]

Well, back from having lied about the amount of uranium Iran is keeping,

I admit my mistakes. When you get caught making mistakes, you just continue with the lies.

now you have a new claim.

Do you deny that you have to pass 3% enriched before getting to 90% enriched?

If Iran stops agreeing to the NPT they could make a bomb!

Well, duh.

And of they didn't have a huge centrifuge capacity (allegedly for their one reactor) or if they simply bought reactor grade uranium like many countries they wouldn't be able to make a bomb.

 

[Frankfooter]

I admit my mistakes. When you get caught making mistakes, you just continue with the lies.

This is page 3 of this thread, you kept repeating your 'mistakes' over and over until you were totally exposed.
If you really admitted that you were wrong you would also state categorically that Iran is not storing years of processed uranium nor is it in any infractions of the NPT.
And that would be the end of this thread.

 

[nottyboi]

You do realize that 3.67% is on the way from natural 0.7% to 90% right?

But thanks for proving my point that Iran can easily produce weapon grade uranium any time they want to stop cooperating.

That is not a point, it is common knowledge. Everyone knows that. But it will take some time to get there.

 

[nottyboi]

I admit my mistakes. When you get caught making mistakes, you just continue with the lies.
Do you deny that you have to pass 3% enriched before getting to 90% enriched?



And of they didn't have a huge centrifuge capacity (allegedly for their one reactor) or if they simply bought reactor grade uranium like many countries they wouldn't be able to make a bomb.

Why should they buy it? If its so important to the USA why don't they offer to GIVE it?

 

[nottyboi]

I admit my mistakes. When you get caught making mistakes, you just continue with the lies.
Do you deny that you have to pass 3% enriched before getting to 90% enriched?



And of they didn't have a huge centrifuge capacity (allegedly for their one reactor) or if they simply bought reactor grade uranium like many countries they wouldn't be able to make a bomb.

It has already been made QUITE CLEAR to you that their centrifuge capacity is NOT huge for the one reactor, in fact it cannot even supply the one reactor. So why do you persist in this nonsensical train of thought? They are in fact buying fuel from Russia, but the centrifuges are a guarantee and part of their right to master the nuclear fuel cycle.

 

[basketcase]

It has already been made QUITE CLEAR to you that their centrifuge capacity is NOT huge for the one reactor, ...

Then why did the international community demand a massive reduction in centrifuges? I guess you know better than the IAEA though.

 

[nottyboi]

Then why did the international community demand a massive reduction in centrifuges? I guess you know better than the IAEA though.

The same reason they limited them to a 300kg stockpile of sub 4% and forced them to give up all their HE Uranium, and plutonium capacity. i.e to ensure that getting HE uranium will take at least 6 months.

 

[basketcase]

The same reason they limited them to a 300kg stockpile of sub 4% and forced them to give up all their HE Uranium, and plutonium capacity. i.e to ensure that getting HE uranium will take at least 6 months.

Thank you for admitting that the world sees Iran's nuclear program as a thinly veiled attempt at nuclear weapons.

 

[Frankfooter]

Thank you for admitting that the world sees Iran's nuclear program as a thinly veiled attempt at nuclear weapons.

Considering your obsession with nukes, why don't you care about Saudi Arabia's attempts to buy nukes?
Why are you harping on Iran when they are a signatory to the NPT and abiding by the treaty?
Why not worry about non-NPT countries like North Korea and Israel?

 

[nottyboi]

Thank you for admitting that the world sees Iran's nuclear program as a thinly veiled attempt at nuclear weapons.

Didn't you get the whole "trust but verify" memo? Of course the west is suspicious. But the cold hard facts are, once you master the nuclear fuel cycle, then building a fission bomb is not that hard. Heck, if someone gave me a chunk of HE uranium and internet access I might be able to build one. Many, many countries have the capability to build a nuclear bomb. Let me list some of them for you:

Canada, Mexico, Brazil, S. Africa, Japan, S. Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, Australia, NZ, Ukraine, several Stans, most western European nations, Turkey, Poland, Czech Republic, Solvenia, Bulgaria, Hungary etc etc etc etc....