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The US is now backing Assad, does that put Iran and the US as allies now?



The Syrian conflict is morally messy, you can't say anyone involved there is clean or someone you really want to back. That's a big problem. So is assigning guilt and blame for what started out as a revolt from farmers after climate change influence drought killed their livelihoods. Assad was a despot, but a minor one, not on the scale of Saddam. Syria was a functioning country that trended towards police state, but it wasn't the worst place on the planet. The civil strife turned into a big clusterfuck with Russia, Turkey, Kurds, ISIS, AQ, Lebanon, Israel, the US and yes, Iran all involved. Iran supported Hezbollah but they weren't the biggest players there.

Why its generally left out of debates is that its such a fucking mess that nobody can figure out who to blame or who's winning or morally what the heck is going on.

Israel, on the other hand, is pretty clear.
You've got a colonial state that's imposed apartheid on the native population, illegally occupied another country and attempted ethnic cleansing for which there are 5 million refugees still waiting, including those poor Palestinian refugees who were stuck in camps in war torn Syria.

So yes, Israel is a much easier subject because unless your a closet zionist/colonialist/racist, its pretty clear morally.
Your non stop lying about Israel isn't fact.
 

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Because they are building more power plants.
If they quadrupled the number of reactors they still would have enough fuel for 40 years, even if they had the power plants right now. No need for centrifuges for a long time. Even if they eventually get up to the 20 reactors they claim to want, they would only need a few cascades to maintain their supply of commercial grade Uranium.
 

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If they quadrupled the number of reactors they still would have enough fuel for 40 years, even if they had the power plants right now. No need for centrifuges for a long time. Even if they eventually get up to the 20 reactors they claim to want, they would only need a few cascades to maintain their supply of commercial grade Uranium.
I'm not sure this is true, and since you aren't trustworthy, please provide legit support for this claim that they have 150 years of reactor grade uranium refined and on stock.
 

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Yet that's exactly what your said. Make up your mind.
No, try reading again.

And I'll also repeat this:
If you really think those interventions and invasions are great, please list which countries you think are success stories because of US intervention.
 

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I'm not sure this is true, and since you aren't trustworthy, please provide legit support for this claim that they have 150 years of reactor grade uranium refined and on stock.
Amusing coming from a guy who has been caught lying three times in the past few days. But since you asked:

From the most recent IAEA report
14. Throughout the reporting period, Iran’s total enriched uranium stockpile has not exceeded
300 kg of UF6 enriched up to 3.67% U-235 (or the equivalent in different chemical forms) (para. 56).
The quantity of 300 kg of UF6 corresponds to 202.8 kg of uranium.1

https://www.iaea.org/sites/default/files/gov2017-35.pdf

Annual matter consumption of a typical nuclear reactor is about 1.051 kg.
http://www.nuclear-power.net/nuclea...uel/fuel-consumption-of-conventional-reactor/

That means the fuel they have is sufficient for 193 years of operation for one reactor or 48.2 years for 4 reactors. Happy?

As I said, they have absolutely no justification for their massive number of centrifuges.
 

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No, try reading again.

And I'll also repeat this:
If you really think those interventions and invasions are great, please list which countries you think are success stories because of US intervention.
You posted it. Why don't you try reading?

Right wingers.

Right wingers have started most of the middle east US 'interventions' that have caused 90% of terrorism.
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...hippers-were-killed-in-terrorist-attack/page4
 

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Amusing coming from a guy who has been caught lying three times in the past few days. But since you asked:

From the most recent IAEA report
14. Throughout the reporting period, Iran’s total enriched uranium stockpile has not exceeded
300 kg of UF6 enriched up to 3.67% U-235 (or the equivalent in different chemical forms) (para. 56).
The quantity of 300 kg of UF6 corresponds to 202.8 kg of uranium.1

https://www.iaea.org/sites/default/files/gov2017-35.pdf

Annual matter consumption of a typical nuclear reactor is about 1.051 kg.
http://www.nuclear-power.net/nuclea...uel/fuel-consumption-of-conventional-reactor/

That means the fuel they have is sufficient for 193 years of operation for one reactor or 48.2 years for 4 reactors. Happy?

As I said, they have absolutely no justification for their massive number of centrifuges.
Thanks, I suspected you were full of crap on this point and supporting the documents proves it.
300 kg is the maximum they are allowed to enrich per the NPT.
The next line of the report states the amount of that limit that they have actually refined and have in storage.
15. As of 21 August 2017, the quantity of Iran’s uranium enriched up to 3.67% U-235 was
88.4 kg,18 based on the JCPOA and decisions of the Joint Commission.
That would put them at 24 years of fuel for four reactors, which is not unreasonable.

You lied.
 

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You posted it. Why don't you try reading?
I love the fact that you keep defending US interventions, including the US dropping 26,000 bombs on 7 Muslim countries in 2016, yet can't come up with a single story of success.

You keep claiming you are against terrorism yet fully defend one of its major causes.
 

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Thanks, I suspected you were full of crap on this point and supporting the documents proves it.
300 kg is the maximum they are allowed to enrich per the NPT.
The next line of the report states the amount of that limit that they have actually refined and have in storage.


That would put them at 24 years of fuel for four reactors, which is not unreasonable.

You lied.
You are hopeless. Even when you are completely exposed you continue to pretend you're right. But including point 15, they have 202.8 kg of Uranium is gas form as well as 88.4 kg in solid form. That's 277 years worth of fuel. And if you cared about honesty, you would notice that I'd be okay with Iran keeping a couple of cascades, just not the 25,000 centrifuges they have working or in storage.

And Iran doesn't have 24 reactors; they have one.
 

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I love the fact that you keep defending US interventions, including the US dropping 26,000 bombs on 7 Muslim countries in 2016, yet can't come up with a single story of success.
Sorry but you've gone completely insane. You got caught lying and instead of admitting it you resort to making up other people's opinion. The saddest thing is you likely believe your bullshit.


You keep claiming you are against terrorism yet fully defend one of its major causes.
I blame terrorism on the people who are so immoral as to intentionally murder civilians. But that doesn't fit your agenda so instead of blaming the actual terrorists you have to find someone else to blame. The only question is whether you refuse to blame the terrorists because you think Arabs are incapable of moral behavior or if you are so ideologically blinded that you think the US and Israel are the only countries deserving criticism.
 

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You are hopeless. Even when you are completely exposed you continue to pretend you're right. But including point 15, they have 202.8 kg of Uranium is gas form as well as 88.4 kg in solid form. That's 277 years worth of fuel. And if you cared about honesty, you would notice that I'd be okay with Iran keeping a couple of cascades, just not the 25,000 centrifuges they have working or in storage.

And Iran doesn't have 24 reactors; they have one.
You are totally incompetent and really can't read that report, can you?

14. - that point describes the limit they are allowed according to the NPT and clarifies that they haven't hit it.
15. - states the actual amount of uranium refined to 3.67% U-235

Only a total idiot would try to add both of those numbers together.
Or a totally dishonest troll type.
 

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Because they are building more power plants.
p.s. They aren't building new power plants. They aren't even in the planning stages. They simply have people at the government say they want more (and you think the words of the Iranian government aren't important).
 

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You are totally incompetent and really can't read that report, can you?

14. - that point describes the limit they are allowed according to the NPT and clarifies that they haven't hit it.
15. - states the actual amount of uranium refined to 3.67% U-235

Only a total idiot would try to add both of those numbers together.
Or a totally dishonest troll type.
You clearly show you have no ability to understand the science. The 300 kg of gaseous UF6 has already been enriched to 3.67%. It has already gone through the centrifuges. The 88 kg is the amount they processed into solid form. Centrifuges aren't used in that process.

The UN/IAEA report clearly states that Iran has enriched the equivalent of 290 kg.


Sadly you have reverted to type, being proven wrong and resorting to insults and making up what others think.


No matter what farcical arguments you make, Iran has enough enriched uranium to last them a long time and therefore need only a couple hundred centrifuges to maintain those levels.
 

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And back to the topic, both Iran and Saudi Arabia are massive human rights abusers who fund terrorism and continually intervene in other countries in the Middle East and Muslim world.

Of course you only call out Saudi Arabia as a tool to criticize the US and refuse to call out Iran.
 

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You clearly show you have no ability to understand the science. The 300 kg of gaseous UF6 has already been enriched to 3.67%. It has already gone through the centrifuges. The 88 kg is the amount they processed into solid form. Centrifuges aren't used in that process.

The UN/IAEA report clearly states that Iran has enriched the equivalent of 290 kg.
You really don't understand it, do you?
14. Throughout the reporting period, Iran’s total enriched uranium stockpile has not exceeded
300 kg of UF6 enriched up to 3.67% U-235 (or the equivalent in different chemical forms) (para. 56).
The quantity of 300 kg of UF6 corresponds to 202.8 kg of uranium.17

15. As of 21 August 2017, the quantity of Iran’s uranium enriched up to 3.67% U-235 was
88.4 kg,18 based on the JCPOA and decisions of the Joint Commission.19
14 says they never exceeded their 300kg limit through the reporting period, as the NYT notes:
Iran is permitted to hold 300 kilograms, or about 660 pounds, of low-enriched uranium under the deal. But that is not enough to produce a single weapon.
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/29/...-stockpile-of-enriched-uranium-to-russia.html

15 says they have 88 kg in stock, as confirmed by the Independent.
The International Atomic Energy Agency said that Iran’s stockpile of low-enriched uranium is 88.4kg (about 195lb), less than a third of the maximum allowed under the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), the official name of the 2015 agreement. Under the agreement, Iran accepted limits on its nuclear programme in exchange for sanctions relief. The current stockpile is just over 1% of the pre-agreement level.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/31/iran-nuclear-deal-trump-un

You can't add up the amount they are allowed (and never passed) with the amount they actually have and then claim they have both.
Its idiotic.
 

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And back to the topic, both Iran and Saudi Arabia are massive human rights abusers who fund terrorism and continually intervene in other countries in the Middle East and Muslim world.

Of course you only call out Saudi Arabia as a tool to criticize the US and refuse to call out Iran.
No, I call out Saudi Arabia, Israel and Iran, in that order based on their human rights records and records of foreign 'interventions' and support of terrorism, domestic or otherwise.
 

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No, I call out Saudi Arabia, Israel and Iran, in that order based on their human rights records and records of foreign 'interventions' and support of terrorism, domestic or otherwise.
The fact that you still think Iran is better than Israel exposes you for the joke you are. Just to refresh your memory, Israel ranks 80% free. Iran ranks 17% free. I'm sure you will claim it doesn't matter because the writers of the report may be Jewish or have a Jewish SO.
 

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The fact that you still think Iran is better than Israel exposes you for the joke you are. Just to refresh your memory, Israel ranks 80% free. Iran ranks 17% free. I'm sure you will claim it doesn't matter because the writers of the report may be Jewish or have a Jewish SO.
Based off of one ranking that doesn't consider the occupied territories including Gaza.
Oh, by the way, new book came out by a Jewish historian (I note this as you won't consider any non-Jewish historians).
https://oneworld-publications.com/the-biggest-prison-on-earth-hb.html
I'd be happy to buy you a copy.

Oh, and more documents were dropped off to the ICC.
Seems there is a major file opened up there on Israel, strangely nothing happening for Iran, despite your complaints.
https://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=779165
 

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Based off of one ranking that doesn't consider the occupied territories including Gaza....
You're right.

Despite the repression of the PA and Israeli imposed travel restrictions, even the West Bank scores 11% higher than Iran.
 
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