Iran bans Valentine's Day
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Completely untrue.You're the one making the claim that there is any policy at all, NOBODY else thinks there's one. The burden of proof rests with you, dumbass. On top of that you've been provided a quote from the Israeli PM denouncing it.
But of course to you Israel is always guilty until proven innocent, because you're a demented clown.
He thinks Israel is guilty especially when proven innocent.
I don't say this very often about extreme Islamist nations but, those lucky lucky bastards!Iran bans Valentine's Day
As flubber tells us, Iran is a very tolerant place, where people of all religions are respected:
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/914774--iran-bans-symbols-of-valentine-s-day
That's why Iranians this year are just saying "no" to love (as commanded by the Supreme Tyrant).
"No, honey I didn't forget your overpriced roses and chocolates. It's illegal now"
Oh how tiring.
Here you go again, boys, have at it.
Please find some references that prove that these items are wrong.
The call was made by 18 prominent Rabbi's who are all municipal employees of the state.
They are representatives of the government.
It has since been signed by 50 more Rabbi's, who are also all employees of the state and another 150 or so.
The total signing it is now 250.
And while the gov't has said its wrong, there has been no investigation.
From further in the same article:
Here you go again, boys, have at it.
Please find some references that prove that these items are wrong.
The call was made by 18 prominent Rabbi's who are all municipal employees of the state.
They are representatives of the government.
It has since been signed by 50 more Rabbi's, who are also all employees of the state and another 150 or so.
The total signing it is now 250.
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth...160984116.htmlHundreds of Israeli rabbis have signed a religious edict forbidding Jews from renting or selling homes or land to Arabs and other non-Jews. The public letter instructs Jews to "ostracise" those who disobey the order, which is widely viewed as an attack on the country's Palestinian citizens.
When the decree was announced on Tuesday, it had been signed by 50 rabbis, many of who are employed by the state of Israel as municipal religious leaders. Despite sharp public criticism, another 250 rabbis have added their names to the proclamation.
And while the gov't has said its wrong, there has been no investigation.
From further in the same article:
And again, from the article:On Thursday, the attorney general issued a statement calling the rabbis' edict "problematic" and "inappropriate for public officials". It also said it would examine whether or not the rabbis' actions were against the law.
Still, the attorney general did not launch a formal investigation. Nor did he sanction the rabbis.
I stand by my statements.Some landlords have refused Arab tenants for years, Gordon added. "It's not new. What's new is the feeling that one can express this [without] shame ... and when you lose shame you've reached an extremely dangerous situation."
I have not claimed it as official policy.When you claimed it was official Israel policy. BTW again you to take liberties with the truth and claim it's 30 Rabbi's ... what it really was one Rabbi who started this and a bunch of Rabbi's jumping in after the fact to support him after the Government referred the matter to the Israel Justice Department.
And here, just for you, I now officially correct any misinterpretations of what I previously said.
I believe this is unofficial policy, just as the constant near starving of Gaza was unofficial policy. With Gaza, as with this issue, the Gov't officially denied they were committing collective punishment, the difference with the Gaza blockade is that they've been caught out as lying through wikileaks.
I'm still standing by my statements and would love someone to actually find some real sources that prove me wrong.
Go ahead, I'm still waiting.
I went to your reference and it took a little digging as AJ seems to have taken it off the main page and nowhere does the article mention the 50 or 150 rabbis you mention. Are you making things up again?Oh how tiring.
Here you go again, boys, have at it.
Please find some references that prove that these items are wrong.
The call was made by 18 prominent Rabbi's who are all municipal employees of the state.
They are representatives of the government.
It has since been signed by 50 more Rabbi's, who are also all employees of the state and another 150 or so.
The total signing it is now 250.
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth...160984116.html
And while the gov't has said its wrong, there has been no investigation.
From further in the same article:
And again, from the article:
I stand by my statements.
So, if the local garbage collector went off on a rant, do we take that as government policy. Likewise a traffic cop calling a jerk behind the well of a delivery truck a creep. Is that then to be considered government policy.. Adjust your meds man, you need help fast.
So now that you've been shown to be batshit crazy and totally wrong in you claims you 'try' to make things right by massaging your comments with using words like 'I think'. The fact that you think it doesn't make any more true and it still gets filed under "More Crazy Ranting From Flubber" and not credible.I have not claimed it as official policy.
And here, just for you, I now officially correct any misinterpretations of what I previously said.
I believe this is unofficial policy, just as the constant near starving of Gaza was unofficial policy. With Gaza, as with this issue, the Gov't officially denied they were committing collective punishment, the difference with the Gaza blockade is that they've been caught out as lying through wikileaks.
I'm still standing by my statements and would love someone to actually find some real sources that prove me wrong.
Go ahead, I'm still waiting.
And again, as both basketcase and I pointed out before, you're asking for proof of a double negative for something that doesn't exit. You can ask all you want. No one cares.
I was looking for some evidence that maybe I was wrong, instead what I found was this commentary from Al Jazeera:
Go ahead, call me crazy.
But this ranting is not coming from me.
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/01/20111812130964689.htmlOn a recent Monday, more than 200 Jewish Israelis rallied in Bat Yam, a suburb of Tel Aviv under the banner 'Keep Bat Yam Jewish'. The demonstrators, most of whom were religious and young, were there to protest against romantic relationships between Arabs and Jews, particularly those between Arab men and Jewish women.
I did not go as a reporter. I went to bear witness. I had also volunteered to translate for a colleague, a Palestinian man, who does not speak Hebrew.
We stood to the side. Demonstrators, mistaking us for supporters, handed us leaflets containing shameless propaganda. I read them aloud to my colleague, even though I was ashamed to repeat the words I held in my hands. "The Arabs are taking control of Bat Yam, buying and renting apartments from Jews, taking and ruining girls from Bat Yam! Fifteen-thousand Jewish girls have been taken to Arab villages! Guard our city - we want a Jewish Bat Yam," the leaflets said.
The rally came in the wake of a religious edict forbidding Jews from leasing or selling homes or land to Arabs. The proclamation was signed by 50 rabbis, many of whom are state employees, before it was announced publicly several weeks ago. Another 250 have joined since then.
Over 1,000 rabbis have signed a letter against the edict, calling it "a painful distortion of our tradition" and a "desecration of God's name". But these are diaspora rabbis. And although Binyamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, has condemned the initial proclamation, the rabbis who signed it remain state employees.
Monday's rally in Bat Yam was just the first moment of a week that suggested that open racism is spreading through Israel like a wildfire.
Along with the leaflets, there was singing, shouting and speeches, which I translated for my colleague. Several times, I stopped mid-sentence. I could not believe what I had heard. Did that man really say that Jewish women who date Arab men should be sentenced to death? Did that rabbi really say that the Jewish people have "holy blood"?
'We have facts'
A group of teenage girls approached us and asked us to register our names in support of their "cause". We refused. When they understood that my colleague did not speak Hebrew, they turned to me.
"Do you agree with what we're doing here?" one asked. Like the other girls, she was wearing a burgundy shirt that read "Keep Bat Yam Jewish".
"I don't," I said.
"Why?"
"Because it's racist."
The girl tried to explain that it is not about race, but defence. "There are people in my family that have been hurt in terror attacks," she said. "I’m really scared. Sometimes, I'm even scared to walk down the street."
"You know what's scary to me?" I said, pointing to the crowd. "This. It reminds me of what happened in Europe before the Holocaust. This is Germany in the thirties."
"You can't compare," she said. "The Arabs want to kill us."
"All of them? Really? How do you know? Have you ever talked to an Arab or a Palestinian?" I asked her.
"No," she said.
"And you?" I asked another one of the girls.
"No. But we don't need to. We have facts." She held up a leaflet. "Fifteen-thousand Jewish girls have been taken to Arab villages. They've been kidnapped ..."
My colleague interrupted. "Tell these girls that they've been brainwashed," he said to me.
'Survival, not racism'
That was Monday.
On Tuesday, police announced that they had arrested seven teenagers and two adults, all Jewish, suspected of attacking Arab youths in Jerusalem. The group allegedly used a 14-year-old girl to lure the victims to isolated places. They then attacked the Arabs using pepper spray, glass bottles and stones. Several were beaten so badly that they needed to be hospitalised. According to police reports, the attacks were motivated by nationalism.
On Tuesday night, hundreds of South Tel Aviv residents held a rally against the growing presence of foreigners, calling on the government to deport foreign workers and African refugees. Participants carried signs that read: "It's not racism. It's survival. Eli Yishai, you're not alone," referring to the interior minister. Yishai has pushed a plan to deport the children of illegal migrant labourers and has publicly stated that foreigners bring diseases into the country.
Fistfights broke out between demonstrators and left-wing activists who were holding a counter-demonstration.
The next day, Netanyahu responded with a video, which was posted on Facebook and YouTube. He emphasised that "Israelis cannot take the law into their own hands," and asked the people to refrain from violence.
But the week was not over yet.
On Thursday, the Israeli daily Yediot Ahronot reported that five Arab men - all citizens of the state, one of whom had served in the Israeli army - had been driven out of the home they shared in south Tel Aviv.
And that night, thousands of Jewish Israelis gathered in Jerusalem to support both continued settlement growth as well as the rabbis' letter forbidding rental to Arabs.
'Infiltrators'
Friday morning saw a demonstration of another kind.
More than 1,000 Israelis and African refugees, mostly from Eritrea and Sudan, marched through Tel Aviv in protest against state plans to build a new detention centre in the desert. The government claims it will provide "humane conditions" for illegal migrants from Africa, a group they call "infiltrators". Human rights' organisations say that the facility will be a prison camp for refugees.
A drum line wove its way through the crowd as it walked through the city. Protestors chanted: "What do we want? Rights! When do we want them? Now!" An Israeli called out: "The camp is dangerous, no less than south Sudan." Demonstrators shouted it back, clapping out the beat of the sentence, which rhymes in Hebrew.
Despite the gravity of the cause, the mood was upbeat. The crowd seemed huge. It was exhilarating. It felt like we were really doing something, like we were taking the city - no, the country - into our hands.
How many are we? I wondered. I hopped up onto a bench to get a headcount. My excitement fell away as I saw us for what we were - a small, thin line, crawling past a traffic jam, cars full of Israelis who had forgotten the week and were starting the weekend.
The 'foreigners' among us
Most Israelis are apathetic. This leaves the Right free to take over - although the government is trying to distance itself from their efforts.
The Israeli media seems to be both condemning the "rise of racism" while giving the coals an occasional poke. Haaretz, a centre-left newspaper that has run many editorials decrying recent events, recently published a story with the provocative headline: 17 per cent of AIDS carriers over last decade were foreign migrants. It seemed to me an irresponsible and unnecessary article in light of recent events.
The government sends mixed messages, too. Netanyahu's video urging Israelis to stay calm came just months after the government embarked on a public campaign against foreigners. It included videos of another sort - advertisements in which "real Israelis" (read: actors) claimed that migrant workers were taking their jobs. And while Netanyahu condemns the rabbis' letter, a religious proclamation against the "foreigners" who live among us, he refers to another group of outsiders, the Africans, as "a concrete threat".
And some of those speaking out in earnest against recent events still do not get the point. They bemoan the sudden "rise" of racism in Israel. One writer bucked this trend, arguing that the "roots" of the issue lie in the Ashkenazi mistreatment of Mizrahi Jews. But racism goes further back - to 1948 when hundreds of thousands of Palestinians were driven from their homes.
Racism has since remained in ways large and small. Today, Arab schools receive less funding than Jewish schools and Arab areas of East Jerusalem receive less municipal services.
It is here in more insidious ways, too. When some Israelis want to call something tacky - a pair of shoes, a dress - they call it "Arab". And a poorly-done job is referred to as "Arab work".
The argument I had with those girls is not new. What is new is that it is taking place in public. And it begs the question: Which way will the Israeli public tip?
I am scared of the answer.
Go ahead, call me crazy.
But this ranting is not coming from me.
Accuracy and truth be damned, you always do....
I stand by my statements.
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Okay, you're crazy. More Israelis are opposed to these rabbis than agree with them including the government and 200 idiots don't speak for the millions of Israelis.I was looking for some evidence that maybe I was wrong, instead what I found was this commentary from Al Jazeera:
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/01/20111812130964689.html
Go ahead, call me crazy.
But this ranting is not coming from me.
I know you will continue your delusion that despite this there is some kind of policy that isn't any kind of policy but since it's about Israel it must be a policy.
Its true more are against the call then for it.Okay, you're crazy. More Israelis are opposed to these rabbis than agree with them including the government and 200 idiots don't speak for the millions of Israelis.
I know you will continue your delusion that despite this there is some kind of policy that isn't any kind of policy but since it's about Israel it must be a policy.
44% back the rabbi call
48% are against it
But is that enough that you don't take it seriously?
When almost have the country backs something?
Its not as nutso as the Rabbi that published the book “The complete guide to killing non-Jews”, but you have to admit that it is not a sign of a healthy democracy when almost half of the country supports racist land rules.
And finally, are you calling this poll delusional, the call from the rabbis or only my reporting of this delusional?
The article you posted confirms that it's not government policy, official or unofficial, and that it's just a bunch of wing-nuts whose views have been officially repudiated by the state.I was looking for some evidence that maybe I was wrong, instead what I found was this commentary from Al Jazeera:
You are still wrong, but keep on worming and squirming, if you try hard enough you might be able to convince yourself that you aren't pathetic.
Thank you for verifying that, as I've said, its not official policy but becoming unofficial policy.The article you posted confirms that it's not government policy, official or unofficial, and that it's just a bunch of wing-nuts whose views have been officially repudiated by the state.
You are still wrong, but keep on worming and squirming, if you try hard enough you might be able to convince yourself that you aren't pathetic.
And if you have anything that shows that its not happening, let me see it.
Until then, this is the only version that we've seen evidence for.
The poll is a poll by a polling agency and without examining their entire body of work, I would believe them legitimate....
And finally, are you calling this poll delusional, the call from the rabbis or only my reporting of this delusional?
It is you and those rabbis that are delusional.
You haven't provided any evidence anywhere whatsoever that it is an unofficial policy of the Israeli government.Thank you for verifying that, as I've said, its not official policy but becoming unofficial policy.
You are a pathetic worm who is unsuccessfully squirming away from the fact that you were flat out wrong on this point.
Ho hum.You haven't provided any evidence anywhere whatsoever that it is an unofficial policy of the Israeli government.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/housing-...opped-1.279277Housing Minister Ariel Atias on Thursday warned against the spread of Arab population into various parts of Israel, saying that preventing this phenomenon was no less than a national responsibility.
"I see [it] as a national duty to prevent the spread of a population that, to say the least, does not love the state of Israel," Atias told a conference of the Israel Bar Association, which focused on a reforming Israel's Land Administration.
And here's a quote from his wiki page:
He is the current minister of housing for Israel.On 2 July 2009, it was reported that Atias had called for the segregation of Israel's Arab population from Jewish Israelis, saying that achieving it was "a national duty... populations that should not mix are spreading... I don't think that it is appropriate [for them] to live together".[3]
I may have to change my opinion: could this be basis for saying that it is not just unofficial policy, but official policy?
Except he isn't saying anything about banning renting to Arabs. This is just you trying to change the topic again and hope that nobody notices.He is the current minister of housing for Israel.
I may have to change my opinion: could this be basis for saying that it is not just unofficial policy, but official policy?
I find his viewpoint objectionable, but his plan expressed here is to market large areas of land to Arabs in the hope of concentrating Arab populations there. He's not saying anything about banning anything.
You are going to have to admit that you were spewing bullshit when you said Israel had a policy (of any kind) of banning renting land to Arabs.
The minister of housing says:You are going to have to admit that you were spewing bullshit when you said Israel had a policy (of any kind) of banning renting land to Arabs.
"a national duty... populations that should not mix are spreading... I don't think that it is appropriate [for them] to live together"
I'm not spewing bullshit, I'm quoting the government.
Kingfisher, first thanks for actually taking the time to make an argument.This kind of taken out of context. First this Minister is from a minority Party that is in a coalition with Likkud, I think you have to look more to the PM for official public policy. Second in the full context of this Minister's ideas is the setting up of a Ultra Orthodox Jewish Community and he is not referring to just Arabs not being part of the community but also Christians and secular Jews. In his opinion Ultra Orthodox Jews live their lives so differently that conflict comes in play with secular Jews ... we actually saw that last year when secular Jews in Jerusalem felt restricted and belittled in certain neighborhoods.
Look I have no illusions that Orthodoxy is an issue in Israel, it's largely why Israeli Political Parties are so fractured on the right but it is a much bigger issue in most Arab countries so in the big scheme of things I don't get your point or why you think Israel should be held to a higher standard you don't give the Arabs, including Muslim Palestinians. Muslim Palestinians have been booting out Christian Palestinians for decades now to the point that Christians have left the region almost entirely.
kf1
First, the issue of minority gov't in Israel is complex, but given that Netanyahu has caved into Lieberman a few times in the last month, its not unreasonable to assume that when a minister talks, its policy even if he's from a minority party.
And second, I do think all countries in the area, or the world, should be held to the same standards. Racist policies anywhere should be stopped.
The problem isn't necessarily just these declarations, its becoming systematic.
It's amazing how over the long term FD's tenure has changed from blaming Israel for many/most of the problems in the middle east to blame them AND someone else, hoping that would make him sound more balanced and his argument more acceptable. The trouble is over time his bigotry and hatred for almost anything connected withe Israel pushes through and he continues to show himself to be the dunce that he is.Kingfisher, first thanks for actually taking the time to make an argument.
First, the issue of minority gov't in Israel is complex, but given that Netanyahu has caved into Lieberman a few times in the last month, its not unreasonable to assume that when a minister talks, its policy even if he's from a minority party.
And second, I do think all countries in the area, or the world, should be held to the same standards. Racist policies anywhere should be stopped.
The problem isn't necessarily just these declarations, its becoming systematic.
