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Frankfooter said:
Yes, Israel must prevent killing Palestinians.
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The ICJ also said this.

The Court deems it necessary to emphasize that all parties to the conflict in the Gaza Strip are bound by international humanitarian law. It is gravely concerned about the fate of the hostages abducted during the attack on Israel on 7 October 2023 and held since then by Hamas and other armed groups, and calls for their immediate and unconditional release.

Unlike Israel, Hamas is actually in direct violation of the ICJ ruling.
 
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Kautilya said:
No. But if you tell me that you are going to set the house on fire and destroy it and are not going to install a sprinkler system or smoke detectors so as to not alert authorities, then I would assume, that you are an arsonist and the fire marshall asking you to install a sprinkler system and smoke detectors, as an acknowledgement that you are an arsonist.

No. But if you explicitly tell me that you don't like non-white people, women or LGBTQ folks and you wont employ them, then the HRO asking you to prevent discrimination, is proof and acknowledgement of your discriminatory practices.


They were asked. And they ruled that Israel should stop incitement and stop actions that lead to genocide. Which means, there is incitement and there are genocidal actions.

It doesn't have to. If Israel was asked to prevent genocide, it means they are currently not preventing genocide and there are engaged in it. Therefore here the word prevent and stop mean the same thing, when you put it in context and are not attempting to jump through hoops to justify genocide.
Come back to me when they've been convicted. That argument is not working very well for you.
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What is the difference between
“Take all measures to prevent genocide”
“Take all measures to prevent further genocide”

Do you think judges understand English and the importance of a single word in law?
 
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Kautilya said:
Both Israel and Hamas are in violation of international law. Both have committed war crimes. However only Israel is committing genocide.
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Bullshit.

The ICJ directly ordered Hamas to immediately and unconditionally release the hostages. Meanwhile there is no ICJ demand that Israel stop fighting Hamas.

Your 'both sides' bullshit won't work in this case.
 
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Kautilya said:
Nonsense. The ICJ ordered Israel to stop incitement of genocide. ...
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Did you read a different ruling than what the ICJ released?

What they actually said:
The Court is also of the view that Israel must take all measures within its power to prevent and punish the direct and public incitement to commit genocide in relation to members of the Palestinian group in the Gaza Strip.

Let me guess, you're relying on some tweet instead of actually reading what they said.



Meanwhile, the ICJ explicitly demanded Hamas immediately and unconditionally release their hostages. Sadly hypocrites like you want Israel condemned for things the ICJ never said while defending Hamas' violation of direct orders.
 
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basketcase said:
The ICJ also said this.

The Court deems it necessary to emphasize that all parties to the conflict in the Gaza Strip are bound by international humanitarian law. It is gravely concerned about the fate of the hostages abducted during the attack on Israel on 7 October 2023 and held since then by Hamas and other armed groups, and calls for their immediate and unconditional release.

Unlike Israel, Hamas is actually in direct violation of the ICJ ruling.
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The ICJ ordered the following provisional measures under Article 41:

  • Israel must take all measures possible to prevent the commission of all acts under Article II of the Genocide Convention in relation to Palestinians in Gaza. This includes “(a) killing members of the group; (b) causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; and (d) imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group.” The ICJ specified that Israel must ensure “with immediate effect” that its military does not commit any of the aforementioned acts.

If you support the ICJ ruling you must support that Israel must prevent:

The ICJ ordered the following provisional measures under Article 41:

  • killing members of the group;
How many Palestinians in Gaza, who are the group, have been killed since the ruling?

 
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basketcase said:
Did you read a different ruling than what the ICJ released?

What they actually said:
The Court is also of the view that Israel must take all measures within its power to prevent and punish the direct and public incitement to commit genocide in relation to members of the Palestinian group in the Gaza Strip.

Let me guess, you're relying on some tweet instead of actually reading what they said.



Meanwhile, the ICJ explicitly demanded Hamas immediately and unconditionally release their hostages. Sadly hypocrites like you want Israel condemned for things the ICJ never said while defending Hamas' violation of direct orders.
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Israel must prevent:
The ICJ ordered the following provisional measures under Article 41:
Israel must prevent:
  • killing members of the group;
 
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Kautilya said:
There is no reason to ask someone to stop incitement, if there was no incitement.
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There is no reason to say Israel was told to stop when the word stop does not appear in their ruling.

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Your entire arguments always rely on "hanging on to a thread". Now it is the word "Stop". This is foolish and childish and you'd lose a grade
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Actually "stop" is integral to the point. You can't find it but you keep using it.

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To keep claiming that they are being told to stop but you can't find the word stop anywhere, is the definition of foolish and childish. It is idiotic.

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The only things that matter are, in regards to the genocide charge are:
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If the ICJ says that genocide is happening, which they have not. You're SOL right now.
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Kautilya said:
Both have committed war crimes. However only Israel is committing genocide.
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Funny but ICJ did not say Israel is committing genocide, but they clearly and unambiguously stated that Hamas was holding hostages and needs to release them.

You are blind to reality and it's due your unbridled hate.
 
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Instead of bald-faced lying.

But I see that you can't find the word STOP. Thanks for admitting that you've been lying.
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The ICJ wasn't ruling on guilt or innocence so would never use the word 'stop', you need a verdict of guilt to say stop the crime.
What they did say was SA's case was plausible so Israel had to prevent all genocide, that includes killing Palestinians.

You think Israel can continue to kill, but that's a breach of the ICJ ruling.

 
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Kautilya said:
The word stop is irrelevant.
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Stop has everything to do with it. You don't like it because the lack of it's inclusion in the final statement blows your racist narrative out of the water. The lack of the presence of the word stop, proves that they have not done the things your Arab Zionist supporting lies purport. You keep lying and your lies are exposed over and over again.

That is your most laughable use of irrelevant and you've used it a lot. Any FACT that you don't like automatically becomes irrelevant. FACT:The word stop does not appear in the ICJ's report.

Kautilya said:
Hamas holding hostages is not news.
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What a joke of an argument. You are saying that if you commit a war crime long enough, it is no longer a war crime. Israel started their bombing a few days after Hamas took the hostages. It's no longer news. As such with your logic, as patently infantile as it is, it means all of Israel's bombings and subsequent loss of life/genocide is not a war crime. It's old news. Ho hum.

You just destroyed your whole own argument.

And yes I do hate genocidal Zionist maniacs, that the ICJ has called out as well.
[/QUOTE]So much so, that they imposed no sanctions and told Israel to go on their merry way.

Oh, and by the way, let's keep it simple and on point, you just hate all Jews, period. You have become unhinged and can't contain your hatred.
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Kautilya said:
Both Israel and Hamas are in violation of international law. Both have committed war crimes. However only Israel is committing genocide.
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Well how come the ruling was..."israel, prevent genocide, Hamas release hostages"... let me explain this to y ou how I will explain to a 5 year old...
If I see my kid going towards a toy in the department store...I'd say, "don't do it" just to make sure the kid won't actually do it....but I have no knowledge if that was the intention.
If I see my kid holding a toy in the department store...I woud say "put that back" because it already happened....notice the difference?
 
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Frankfooter said:
Prevent all killings.

The ICJ told Israel to prevent all killings in the group (Palestinians).

Instead they killed more.
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All true. And they did it within the parameters of the ICJ's ruling. Which, BTW, included zero statements condemning Israel for having had committed genocide.

You're losing on the ground, in the courts, in the halls of power and on TERB.

Like trump, the man you despise, are you tired of winning yet? Do you even realize how much you two have in common. Hahahaha.
 
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Frankfooter said:
Easy, Hamas isn't committing genocide so didn't need to be told to 'prevent' it.
Israel is, so the ICJ said they must 'prevent' genocide.
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ICJ told Hamas to return the hostages. Why are they defying the ICJ's demands?

Preventing genocide is a given for humanity. The ICJ needed to say prevent further genocide for you to not be called out for lying.
 
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