In Fighting Within Conservative Party

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The wheels are falling off the track as the latest is that there is a lot of infighting within The Conservative party.

‘The wheels are off’: Senior Conservatives think the Poilievre campaign needs a reset

Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre’s campaign desperately needs a reset, according to some veteran Tory campaigners and strategists.

The question is whether the former frontrunner for Canada’s next prime minister and his inner circle will acknowledge and address that Donald Trump, not carbon taxes or crime, is the ballot box question, the sources tell Global News.

The world changed with U.S. President Trump’s election last year, but seven veteran Conservative campaigners warned Poilievre appears to be fighting yesterday’s fights.

“These aren’t little waves lapping at the shore. The Trump stuff is as serious as tsunamis crashing through trees and buildings and bulldozing everything in their path. They have wiped the entire issue set off the table for most of the electorate, and it’s now just this,” said Kory Teneycke, Ontario Premier Doug Ford’s campaign manager and a former communications director for Prime Minister Stephen Harper.

Teneycke worked with Poilievre and his campaign manager, Jenni Byrne, during the Harper era. He also gave a scathing review of the Conservative campaign so far in a Thursday evening speech at the Empire Club in Toronto — a rare public intervention from a partisan so early in a campaign.

“You either react to (Trump) or you’re going to get drowned,” Teneycke told Global News.

There has been a dramatic reversal of fortunes. Just three months ago, the Conservatives had been leading the Liberals by double-digit percentage points in most national polls, and seemed on track to form a majority government.

Then Trudeau left. And then Trump repeatedly threatened to annex the country.

Suddenly, the game plan Poilievre established for the election — cutting taxes, building homes, “fixing” the federal budget and addressing crime — was undercut. The threat of Trump’s economic war on Canada has taken up all the oxygen.

Multiple Conservative sources describe a shambolic central campaign with an isolated leader. Most sources spoke on the condition that they not be named, in order to speak frankly about the campaign and internal party politics.

These are not people who want the Conservatives to lose. They are people who have volunteered or worked for the Conservative Party for years and over multiple campaigns, and speak to other Conservatives daily about the state of the race.

These people know each other, have worked together, and fought in the trenches through tough campaigns. And yet they were near uniform in their criticism of how Poilievre has handled the shifting political situation.

“Everyone wants them to win, actually genuinely. (Conservatives) don’t want the Liberals to win, even people that don’t like Pierre in different parts of the party,” said one Conservative source, a longtime party member and veteran of multiple federal campaigns.

“But it’s like they’re in their own way. They’re not willing to do the things they need to do to win … And they’re still sh-tting on the Ontario PCs, and it’s like, I’m sorry, these people won a majority a month ago. They might have something to tell you.”

The fact that they are speaking frankly, though anonymously, about a faltering campaign at this stage is startling.

“The overconfidence, arrogance and meanness of the Poilievre group has really started to hurt them a little bit,” a second longtime party source told Global News.

The source said that even if the Conservatives had been flawless over the last year and first week of the campaign, the situation presented by Trump would always be challenging.

“To be fair to them, the Great Orange Menace … every single day … It’s not as easy as (some) make it out to be,” the source added.

“I can’t think of a Conservative campaign that’s seen the wheels come off so fast and so hard and so early. (Thursday was) Day Four, and everyone is already running around with their hair on fire,” said a third source, a veteran of numerous federal campaigns.

“They did not prepare. The ground game is a complete and utter mess,” the source added, referring to the campaign’s organization and communication with local candidates.

The Conservative campaign has a strict hierarchy, with Poilievre at the top, Byrne as his chief adviser, and then everyone else. Multiple sources said the leadership has declined outside help and advice despite its flagging fortunes in national polling.

Speaking to reporters in British Columbia on Thursday, Poilievre downplayed the concerns about his campaign’s dwindling support.

“We’ll wait for Canadians to make the choice on election day, and that choice will be this: after the lost Liberal decade of rising costs and crime and the economy under America’s thumb, do the Liberals deserve a fourth term in power?” Poilievre said.

Only weeks ago, Conservative candidates told Global News that despite slumping polling numbers, the party needed to stay focused on the same issues they’ve been on since Poilievre’s successful leadership bid.

But Conservatives who spoke to Global Thursday and Friday expressed frustration at the party’s inability to pivot to the moment, despite two years of preparation and planning. A fourth source close to Poilievre’s camp said the campaign needs a correction — but that he still must speak to other issues facing Canadians rather than just Trump.

“I think (the campaign leadership) is very aware they’re in a difficult and extremely competitive environment,” the source said.

“I wouldn’t say that they’re unaware that the situation is a difficult one, but they seem very cohesive and very tight. So I view that as fundamentally different from (the 2015 campaign), and that’s a good thing.”

According to the first source, the steady drumbeat of negative news has created a tense situation at the party’s Ottawa headquarters.

“There are all these people in the war room that have never worked a campaign before, there’s no one senior, no one secure,” said the source.

“I’m literally getting messages from people in the war room saying, ‘I’m worried I’m going to get fired every day I go in.’ Like, it’s miserable. No one is having any fun.”

The latest Ipsos polling for Global News had the Liberals with 42 per cent support, followed by the Conservatives at 36 per cent. The Ipsos numbers, released last week, put the NDP at 10 per cent support.

But because Conservative support is concentrated in Western Canadian provinces like Alberta and Saskatchewan, projections for the party’s seat counts tell a much more dire story for the party’s chances.

Polling aggregator 338canada.com — which looks at publicly-released polling from multiple companies — is currently projecting the Liberals to win 187 seats, just north of the number of seats required to secure a majority mandate.

The website projects the Conservatives to win 127, only a slight improvement from their results in the 2019 and 2021 federal elections.

Poilievre is campaigning in Nanaimo, B.C., Friday before making stops in Winnipeg Saturday and North York, Ont., on Sunday.

The Conservative campaign is expected to begin next week in Atlantic Canada, a region that has swung solidly to the Liberals in recent public polling.


Thank You Pee Pee. The Canadians are waking up to the reflections of your true colours!!
 

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Lots of misinformation. You are quoting a news source that works with the Century Initiative. They are slandering Poilievre because he exposed the nasty agenda of the Century Initiative. The media wants to keep ppl focused on Trump so the Liberals win. But the cost of living is a real issue for many especially young ppl. You must be totally naive to think otherwise.


^^^^ Here is the reality for many. Mostly the younger generation are asking why is my rent so high? Will I ever be able to own a home? Will I have enough to buy groceries. These are real issues that Carney will not do much but make it worse. Trump and Poilievre did not cause a housing crisis, this was all Trudeau's doing who Carney was his economic advisor since 5 years.
 

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As usual the righties cannot accept the real facts. Pee Pee voted against funding of housing although the Provinces as well as the City Councils worked with the Federal Government to get the construction off the ground. Pee Pee is so fake, that the majority of Canadians can only trust Carney to deal with that deranged individual of a POTUS. When even Danielle Smith pleaded with Trump to hold off on the tariffs so as to favour Pee Pee, who she considers to have Trump's ideologies, then it is getting more and more transparent to Canadians as to what he stands for in these trying times. That is why we are seeing so much of a dysfunctional message coming out of the Conservative Party!!

Conservatives fear 'dysfunctional' campaign and 'civil war' in the party: sources
Conservative sources describe a campaign that is 'highly disorganized' and 'a mess'

As Conservative infighting over how the campaign is handling U.S. President Donald Trump's tariff threats spills into the open, sources within the party are describing a "dysfunctional" campaign with too much centralized power and belittling and aggressive treatment of staff.

More than half a dozen Conservatives, who spoke to CBC News on the condition they not be named for fear of retribution, describe a campaign that is "highly disorganized" and "a mess." The sources include individuals both inside and outside the campaign.

Several of the sources allege that too many decisions have to go through Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre's chief strategist, Jenni Byrne.


"Jenni's in charge and that's all you know," said one Conservative campaign worker, who described the situation as dysfunctional.

There's no evidence of a master plan, said the Conservative, and people are left to figure things out themselves.

Sources said some people learned what they'd be doing on the campaign just hours before the race officially began — even though the Conservatives have been calling for an election since 2024.

Relying on 'tight inner circle'
One source described how the campaign didn't have some "basic stuff" in place before the writ was issued.

Poilievre and Byrne are not inclined to listen to outside advice, sources said, relying instead on "a tight inner circle," which is composed, in part, of people who also work at Byrne's lobby firm outside the campaign period.

The frustration is amplified because Conservatives have gone from anticipating they would form a majority government to seeing a dramatic rebirth for the Liberals under its new leader, Mark Carney, fuelled by concerns over Donald Trump's plans for Canada.

Chief of staff to former Conservative prime minister Stephen Harper, Jenni Byrne waits to appear before the Procedure and House Affairs committee meeting Thursday, May 11, 2023 in Ottawa.  THE CANADIAN PRESS/Adrian Wyld

Too many decisions have to go through Poilievre’s chief strategist, Jenni Byrne, several sources allege. (Adrian Wyld/The Canadian Press)
CBC's Poll Tracker suggests the Liberals are now most likely to form government — and claim a majority.

CBC News reached out to the Conservative campaign about the issues raised in this story. A spokesperson declined to comment.

The tension spilled out into the open this week when veteran Conservative strategist Kory Teneycke began publicly calling out the federal campaign, suggesting it was headed for disaster.

"Look, I think for the Conservatives in the campaign cockpit, every buzzer and alarm is going off. And the plane is like going 'bzzzzz' and it's like 'pull up, pull up, pull," Teneycke told an audience Wednesday as part of a panel at Toronto's Empire Club of Canada.


He argued the Conservative campaign was wasting energy talking about concerns around the World Economic Forum and trying to link the Liberals to an initiative to boost immigration levels known as the Century Initiative, rather than leaning in on the public's concerns about the U.S. president's treatment of Canada.

"I'll make the case tonight, and hopefully this will permeate the Conservative Party war room somewhere — you've got to get on the f****ing ballot question that is driving votes. Or you are going to lose."

In a subsequent interview with CBC News, Teneycke said Poilievre is acting too "Trump-y" with his pet names for political opponents and sloganeering, and it's a turnoff for voters the party needs to win.

Teneycke managed the last three election campaigns for Doug Ford's Ontario PC Party, including Ford's recent re-election to a majority government. He also worked under former prime minister Stephen Harper, including working on Harper's 2015 campaign with Byrne.

The Conservative loss to the Liberals that year left many hard feelings, particularly as the party resorted to now-panned measures like the '"barbaric cultural practices" tip line in an unsuccessful effort to shore up their support.

This week, Teneycke went as far as releasing internal PC party numbers to the Toronto Star to show the federal Liberals taking a significant lead over the Poilievre's Conservative Party of Canada.

Kory Teneycke

Conservative strategist Kory Teneycke has begun publicly calling out the federal campaign, suggesting it was headed for disaster. (CBC)
The public criticism that the campaign has failed to adequately address concerns about Trump is just not landing at the top levels of the federal campaign, sources said.

Poilievre and Byrne "just reject that this is the central ballot question," said one Conservative.

'Weird fixation' on minor issues
One Conservative suggested the tension — not only between Teneycke and Byrne but also between the Ontario and federal Conservative leaders — amounts to a "civil war" within the Conservative movement.

Yet another source said the campaign has a "weird fixation" with relatively minor issues, like how the media is reporting Poilievre's rally crowd sizes. This Conservative said this should not be a concern for senior leaders like Byrne, given other issues they are grappling with.


This source said the priority should be on crafting a better strategy to blunt the Liberal momentum.

But the source wasn't hopeful that would actually happen.

"There won't be a shift because the people who run this campaign don't want to shift," this person said, referring to both Byrne and Poilievre.

What is likely to happen, this source said, is some sort of "counteroffensive" against Carney, with "persistent attacks" to try and sully the Liberal leader's reputation and drive down his favourability ratings.

One Conservative said Poilievre has repeatedly condemned Trump and some of the criticisms of him being too soft on the president are unfair, pointing to Poilievre's forceful statement after the president announced a plan to slap tariffs on autos.

But this source said the campaign has missed the mark on its policy announcements, focusing on non-U.S. or trade-related issues that are of little concern to voters when the country faces a crisis with its one-time closest friend and neighbour.

The source said Thursday's TFSA top-up announcement sounded tone-deaf, while Poilievre's tough-on-crime pitch on Friday at a B.C. sawmill, which could face disruptions because of U.S. tariffs, was bizarre.

This source said Poilievre is not used to running behind, and he's wedded to the playbook that got him in the lead in the first place.

WATCH | Poilievre asked about declining poll numbers:


Poilievre says it's election day result that matters, not polling

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Responding to a question about how some public opinion polls show the Conservatives losing their lead over the Liberals, leader Pierre Poilievre said Canadians will make their decision on voting day.
A source said the campaign staffing is also a particular concern, with last-minute adjustments to who's doing what causing uncertainty and confusion.

Allegations of 'bullying'
In addition to concerns about focus, several sources describe aggressive behaviour by leaders on the campaign, suggesting it is an environment ruled "by fear."


There's frequent yelling and belittling, sources said. One source says the way the highest echelons of the campaign have treated one team member can only be described as bullying.

"It's bullying. There's no other word for it."

Two sources said Poilievre is set to speak more about Trump and his threats in an upcoming swing to Ontario.

Some Conservatives defend the direction the campaign is taking.

Kate Harrison, a Conservative strategist, said on CBC's The House the ballot question that will help the Conservatives is "around cost of living, affordability, and frankly the problems and the track record that brought Canadians to this place of vulnerability based on the last nine years."

Harrison pointed to a poll from Narrative Research, which found two-thirds of respondents identified the cost of living as one of the most important issues facing Canada today.

"I think that there is a link that Conservatives can make between the policies of the last nine years — yes, the threat and the impact of tariffs and this existential threat that Canadians face — without it having this be a referendum on Donald Trump alone," Harrison said.

 

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^^^^ Is this why Trump endorsed Carney? Lol The leftees will have a meltdown. In 2018, Brookefield Asset who at the time Carney was Chairman, got a 99 year lease on a 41 story New York office tower owned by the Kushner Family, controlled by Jared Kushner the son-in-law of Trump. Brookefield payed out the 99 year lease all at once vs annually of $1.1 billion. Brookefield saved the Kushner's, easing their financial pressures. Carney has significant financial interests in Brookefield today, he has stocks worth millions with Brookefield. This is why Trump called Carney PM and said they will talk after the elections and why Trump said he would prefer the Liberals. He did not disclose this or any other possible conflicts of interests. Is this one of the reasons he refused to disclose his assets? Carney scratched Kushner's back to the tune of $1.1 billion. Carney is crooked. If the tables were reversed and Poilievre did this, the media would be covering this. But nopes since it is the Liberals, total silence.
 

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Pinocchio 100%!!

Desperate times for the righties, trying to taint Carney's image. Brookfield acquired the lease in 2018.
Oops, but Carney was appointed as the Vice Chair and Head of ESG and Impact Funding in 2020!!

Brookfield Announces Appointment of Mark Carney as Vice Chair and Head of ESG and Impact Fund Investing

Former Governor of the Bank of England and Bank of Canada to oversee the firm’s ESG-focused investment strategies
BROOKFIELD, NEWS, Aug. 26, 2020 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- Brookfield Asset Management (NYSE: BAM) (TSX: BAM.A) today announced the appointment of Mark Carney as a Vice Chair and Head of ESG and Impact Fund Investing. Mark brings a wealth of knowledge and expertise to his role at Brookfield. He is currently the United Nations Special Envoy for Climate Action and Finance and is a longtime advocate for sustainability, specifically with regard to the management and reduction of climate risks.
Mark will expand on Brookfield’s existing strengths in ESG investing with the development of a group of funds that will work to combine positive social and environmental outcomes with strong risk-adjusted returns for investors. The funds will make ESG-focused investments that are both capable of delivering measurable outcomes against specific impact goals and consistent with Brookfield’s extensive experience investing in high-quality, sustainable assets that form the backbone of the global economy.

Bruce Flatt, CEO of Brookfield, said, “We are excited to have Mark joining Brookfield. Throughout his stellar career in both the private and public sectors, Mark has been a vocal proponent of the positive role that private capital can play in climate action.” Mr. Flatt continued, “Building on our track record in renewable investing, Mark will help accelerate our efforts to combine better long-term outcomes for society with strong risk-adjusted returns. Mark’s insights and perspectives will add tremendous value to our global investing activities for the benefit of our investors.”

Mark Carney remarked, “With an accelerated transition to a net zero economy imperative for climate sustainability and one of the greatest commercial opportunities of our time, I’m looking forward to building on Brookfield’s leading positions in renewable energy and sustainability to the benefit of its investors and society.”

This appointment is another step in Brookfield’s longstanding commitment to sustainability, with ESG principles embedded across the investment process and operations of its businesses. Brookfield has built the world’s largest pure-play private sector renewable energy business over the past three decades. With nearly 20,000 megawatts in operations and 18,000 megawatts in development globally, Brookfield invests in, and responsibly owns and operates, high-quality renewable power assets that provide virtually carbon free energy around the world.
Mark served as the Governor of the Bank of England from 2013 to 2020. In addition, he served as First Vice-Chair of the European Systemic Risk Board, and remains a member of the Group of Thirty and the Foundation Board of the World Economic Forum. In December 2019, Mark was appointed as the United Nations Special Envoy for Climate Action and Finance and will continue in that role. Prior to his tenure as Governor of the Bank of England, he served as the Governor of the Bank of Canada and Chairman of its Board of Directors. Mark was Chair of the G20’s Financial Stability Board from 2011-2018, where he oversaw the reform of the global financial system. He began his career with a leading international investment bank.


So tell us how Carney is related in anyway to the purchase of that Kushner lease in 2018?
The righties really try to dig up all the dirt, but using FAKE NEWS!!
 
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Lol at the lefties now liking that Trump is liking Carney...I thought Trump was Hitler ?
Which "lefties" are "liking that Trump is Liking Carney"??? :LOL: :ROFLMAO:
 

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Conservatives are coming out more vocally to either defend or demand that Pee Pee alters his platform. It is causing more confusion to the electorate.
Rempel is one of them that is defending Pee Pee:

Tory MP Rempel Garner defends Conservative campaign plan amid pressure for Poilievre to pivot
Critics have expressed disagreement with the game plan, as some Tories want the campaign to focus more on tariff threats by U.S. President Donald Trump.

 

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Is it just me or is their latest ad just a Trump ad with a Canadian flag in the background? American dream, strong military, protect our borders...
 
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Lots of misinformation. You are quoting a news source that works with the Century Initiative. They are slandering Poilievre because he exposed the nasty agenda of the Century Initiative. The media wants to keep ppl focused on Trump so the Liberals win. But the cost of living is a real issue for many especially young ppl. You must be totally naive to think otherwise.


^^^^ Here is the reality for many. Mostly the younger generation are asking why is my rent so high? Will I ever be able to own a home? Will I have enough to buy groceries. These are real issues that Carney will not do much but make it worse. Trump and Poilievre did not cause a housing crisis, this was all Trudeau's doing who Carney was his economic advisor since 5 years.
I responded to all of these points in another thread. You avoided discussing my response and then immediately posted the same arguments in a different thread. So let me try again.

1. Trudeau didn't cause the housing crisis.
2. Immigration has been high into Canada since the 1950's.
3. Building of new accommodation appears to have slumped badly since the 1970's and the cumulative effect is disastrous.
4. PeePee appears to have no real platform for doing much of anything, apart from sucking the dick of the AB far right and race-baiting about immigration and making up stupid slogans.
5. If Pee had a comprehensive and convincing plan for genuinely alleviating the housing crisis, he'd have the 100-seat electoral lead right now and probably Carney would never have signed to be PM.
 

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I responded to all of these points in another thread. You avoided discussing my response and then immediately posted the same arguments in a different thread. So let me try again.

1. Trudeau didn't cause the housing crisis.
2. Immigration has been high into Canada since the 1950's.
3. Building of new accommodation appears to have slumped badly since the 1970's and the cumulative effect is disastrous.
4. PeePee appears to have no real platform for doing much of anything, apart from sucking the dick of the AB far right and race-baiting about immigration and making up stupid slogans.
5. If Pee had a comprehensive and convincing plan for genuinely alleviating the housing crisis, he'd have the 100-seat electoral lead right now and probably Carney would never have signed to be PM.
Of course Trudeau caused it. Housing prices were affordable up to when he got elected then bam the prices almost doubled. I never seen such high prices and the issue is wages have not kept pace with the price increases. I remember in 2014 when a 3 1/2 close to downtown would go to $1100, but then the prices had a big 40% price increase in 2016. If you look at the numbers, immigration did increase since Mulroney, he was a globalist also favoring the rich (he was a Conservative). But if you look at the numbers Canada's population increase has been about 1% which is about the amount we can absorb. But since Trudeau, it went up to 3.5% which is total madness. In 2024 the population went up by 1 million in 9 months. Canada has had the most rapid population increase in the world all fueled my immigration. If you look at poor countries, they all got one thing in common and that is high population. This is not a new thing, politicians do this for the rich. They did it at the turn of the 20th century in New York City which caused overcrowding and very high house prices and lots of poverty. Up to today New York City rents are among the highest in the world thanks to high populations.

And do not forget Trudeau is leading the Century Initiative and Carney is part of it. He added Mark Wiseman a sleazeball who founded this Initiative. You do know that the Century Initiative is a corporate lobby group with links to Blackrock and the McKinsey agency? It is classed as a charity organization but gets its donations from investors. In in a nutshell it is a lobby group for the rich. And Trudeau was implicated in awarding McKinsey millions of dollars in government contracts. These are the facts. Poilievre had nothing to do with that. Just that a lot of you people are too fixated on the name of the party vs the man leading it. I been a devoted Liberal voter till Trudeau got elected. I cannot support these policies that will impoverish the working class. These policies are good for baby boomers since most of them already own a home and most likely payed off their mortgage. They benefit a lot from rising home prices. Trudeau purposely increased the value of real estate which is why he had a mass immigration policy so boomers can use the increased value from the equity of their homes for retirement. Carney will do the same. I will never support such a government. I am a working class person and still in the work force and this goes against my needs. I am not running a business, I am not an executive, or an investor, I just work a job. Trudeau / Carney policies benefit the rich and baby boomers. Ask any 30s or 40s person who wants to build a family and someday own a home. Trudeau made it out of reach for the average joe. Many people have to move away from the GTA due to very high prices.
 

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5. If Pee had a comprehensive and convincing plan for genuinely alleviating the housing crisis, he'd have the 100-seat electoral lead right now and probably Carney would never have signed to be PM.
I wonder which people are more disciplined voters - those who need houses or those who own houses
 
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Of course Trudeau caused it. Housing prices were affordable up to when he got elected then bam the prices almost doubled. I never seen such high prices and the issue is wages have not kept pace with the price increases. I remember in 2014 when a 3 1/2 close to downtown would go to $1100, but then the prices had a big 40% price increase in 2016. If you look at the numbers, immigration did increase since Mulroney, he was a globalist also favoring the rich (he was a Conservative). But if you look at the numbers Canada's population increase has been about 1% which is about the amount we can absorb. But since Trudeau, it went up to 3.5% which is total madness. In 2024 the population went up by 1 million in 9 months. Canada has had the most rapid population increase in the world all fueled my immigration. If you look at poor countries, they all got one thing in common and that is high population. This is not a new thing, politicians do this for the rich. They did it at the turn of the 20th century in New York City which caused overcrowding and very high house prices and lots of poverty. Up to today New York City rents are among the highest in the world thanks to high populations.

And do not forget Trudeau is leading the Century Initiative and Carney is part of it. He added Mark Wiseman a sleazeball who founded this Initiative. You do know that the Century Initiative is a corporate lobby group with links to Blackrock and the McKinsey agency? It is classed as a charity organization but gets its donations from investors. In in a nutshell it is a lobby group for the rich. And Trudeau was implicated in awarding McKinsey millions of dollars in government contracts. These are the facts. Poilievre had nothing to do with that. Just that a lot of you people are too fixated on the name of the party vs the man leading it. I been a devoted Liberal voter till Trudeau got elected. I cannot support these policies that will impoverish the working class. These policies are good for baby boomers since most of them already own a home and most likely payed off their mortgage. They benefit a lot from rising home prices. Trudeau purposely increased the value of real estate which is why he had a mass immigration policy so boomers can use the increased value from the equity of their homes for retirement. Carney will do the same. I will never support such a government. I am a working class person and still in the work force and this goes against my needs. I am not running a business, I am not an executive, or an investor, I just work a job. Trudeau / Carney policies benefit the rich and baby boomers. Ask any 30s or 40s person who wants to build a family and someday own a home. Trudeau made it out of reach for the average joe. Many people have to move away from the GTA due to very high prices.
What policies do you think would fix housing prices?
 
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Right now everything is just about catching headlines. The debates will decide everything.

Conservatives just need a strong showing in GVA GTA and GMA. Mostly areas where people just want govt money or high immigration. They see Carney as a new rich Sugar Daddy, so Poilievre has to appeal to the intelligent in these regions. Simple but tough.
 

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What are the righties going to do now as Pee Pee is trying to kick out the conspiracy theorist within the party? BYE to antivaxers, Ukraine haters, dumbasses who spout out hang Justin. It took believing he was about to get creamed to kick out the loonies. LMAO

May I suggest that if you are an anti-vaxxer, buy into conspiracy theories, cheer for Russia, please vote for the purple party, you're welcome.


CARNEY CARNEY CARNEY

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Of course Trudeau caused it. Housing prices were affordable up to when he got elected then bam the prices almost doubled. I never seen such high prices and the issue is wages have not kept pace with the price increases. I remember in 2014 when a 3 1/2 close to downtown would go to $1100, but then the prices had a big 40% price increase in 2016. If you look at the numbers, immigration did increase since Mulroney, he was a globalist also favoring the rich (he was a Conservative). But if you look at the numbers Canada's population increase has been about 1% which is about the amount we can absorb. But since Trudeau, it went up to 3.5% which is total madness. In 2024 the population went up by 1 million in 9 months. Canada has had the most rapid population increase in the world all fueled my immigration. If you look at poor countries, they all got one thing in common and that is high population. This is not a new thing, politicians do this for the rich. They did it at the turn of the 20th century in New York City which caused overcrowding and very high house prices and lots of poverty. Up to today New York City rents are among the highest in the world thanks to high populations.

And do not forget Trudeau is leading the Century Initiative and Carney is part of it. He added Mark Wiseman a sleazeball who founded this Initiative. You do know that the Century Initiative is a corporate lobby group with links to Blackrock and the McKinsey agency? It is classed as a charity organization but gets its donations from investors. In in a nutshell it is a lobby group for the rich. And Trudeau was implicated in awarding McKinsey millions of dollars in government contracts. These are the facts. Poilievre had nothing to do with that. Just that a lot of you people are too fixated on the name of the party vs the man leading it. I been a devoted Liberal voter till Trudeau got elected. I cannot support these policies that will impoverish the working class. These policies are good for baby boomers since most of them already own a home and most likely payed off their mortgage. They benefit a lot from rising home prices. Trudeau purposely increased the value of real estate which is why he had a mass immigration policy so boomers can use the increased value from the equity of their homes for retirement. Carney will do the same. I will never support such a government. I am a working class person and still in the work force and this goes against my needs. I am not running a business, I am not an executive, or an investor, I just work a job. Trudeau / Carney policies benefit the rich and baby boomers. Ask any 30s or 40s person who wants to build a family and someday own a home. Trudeau made it out of reach for the average joe. Many people have to move away from the GTA due to very high prices.
You realize that the rental price jump occurred when Duggo abolished rent controls, huh?

And had nothing to do with Justin?
 
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Of course Trudeau caused it. Housing prices were affordable up to when he got elected then bam the prices almost doubled. I never seen such high prices and the issue is wages have not kept pace with the price increases. I remember in 2014 when a 3 1/2 close to downtown would go to $1100, but then the prices had a big 40% price increase in 2016. If you look at the numbers, immigration did increase since Mulroney, he was a globalist also favoring the rich (he was a Conservative). But if you look at the numbers Canada's population increase has been about 1% which is about the amount we can absorb. But since Trudeau, it went up to 3.5% which is total madness. In 2024 the population went up by 1 million in 9 months. Canada has had the most rapid population increase in the world all fueled my immigration. If you look at poor countries, they all got one thing in common and that is high population. This is not a new thing, politicians do this for the rich. They did it at the turn of the 20th century in New York City which caused overcrowding and very high house prices and lots of poverty. Up to today New York City rents are among the highest in the world thanks to high populations.

And do not forget Trudeau is leading the Century Initiative and Carney is part of it. He added Mark Wiseman a sleazeball who founded this Initiative. You do know that the Century Initiative is a corporate lobby group with links to Blackrock and the McKinsey agency? It is classed as a charity organization but gets its donations from investors. In in a nutshell it is a lobby group for the rich. And Trudeau was implicated in awarding McKinsey millions of dollars in government contracts. These are the facts. Poilievre had nothing to do with that. Just that a lot of you people are too fixated on the name of the party vs the man leading it. I been a devoted Liberal voter till Trudeau got elected. I cannot support these policies that will impoverish the working class. These policies are good for baby boomers since most of them already own a home and most likely payed off their mortgage. They benefit a lot from rising home prices. Trudeau purposely increased the value of real estate which is why he had a mass immigration policy so boomers can use the increased value from the equity of their homes for retirement. Carney will do the same. I will never support such a government. I am a working class person and still in the work force and this goes against my needs. I am not running a business, I am not an executive, or an investor, I just work a job. Trudeau / Carney policies benefit the rich and baby boomers. Ask any 30s or 40s person who wants to build a family and someday own a home. Trudeau made it out of reach for the average joe. Many people have to move away from the GTA due to very high prices.
I agree with a lot of that. But that said, immigration was just as high in the 1950's and 60's and house prices didn't jump because houses were being built in vast #'s each year - which is the theme of Carney's most recent ad BTW.

Without high immigration, the population will age and the economy collapse because our domestic birth rate is below replacement rate.

The idea that anyone was engaged in a conspiracy to force up housing prices is silly. No one's interested in doing that.

And there's no indication that Pee - a guy whose whole focus politically is a far right ideological agenda - is going to help ordinary people. The guy voted against every social assistance measure put before him in the last 20 years and was a Harper cabinet minister. He's not there to help ordinary people. If he was, Canadians would be voting for him.
 
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HAHAHA even the loony US podcasters are turning on PEE PEE...hilarious...


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