Impeachment Trial
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But he won't. His people now control the GOP.
THAT'S the issue.
Almost every local and state RC is now controlled by Trump partisans. The GOP rank and file still overwhelmingly believe that the Biden presidency is illegitimate. And Trump either runs again in 2024 or controls the choice of his heir. Ignoring that don't make it not so.
So you agree they shouldn't participate since they think the whole thing is illegal? They should walk out.
No one missed it. The GOP is shrinking and the people who are left tend to support Trump strongly. This makes being a Republican who believes in liberty and democracy increasingly difficult since they are likely to lose a primary - especially one that is only open to registered Republicans.
Yes, but CNN is impressively shitty. CNN international still has a decent reputation but the main American CNN has been mostly crap for ages.
The level of bugfuck crazy in the state GOP is something people aren't paying enough attention to.
antifa and blm activists should arrive to the Capitol and peacefully urge them to walk out and not vote.
Good to live in a society where peaceful activism is valued so highly!
Details on a conversation between Trump and the house rep leader, McCarthy are coming out today.
Wonder if they will call witnesses after all?
In an expletive-laced phone call with House Republican leader Kevin McCarthy while the Capitol was under attack, then-President Donald Trump said the rioters cared more about the election results than McCarthy did.
“Well, Kevin, I guess these people are more upset about the election than you are,” Trump said, according to lawmakers who were briefed on the call afterward by McCarthy. McCarthy insisted that the rioters were Trump’s supporters and begged Trump to call them off. Trump’s comment set off what Republican lawmakers familiar with the call described as a shouting match between the two men. A furious McCarthy told the President the rioters were breaking into his office through the windows, and asked Trump, “Who the f--k do you think you are talking to?” according to a Republican lawmaker familiar with the call.
The newly revealed details of the call, described to CNN by multiple Republicans briefed on it, provide critical insight into the President’s state of mind as rioters were overrunning the Capitol. The existence of the call and some of its details have been previously reported and discussed publicly by McCarthy. The Republican members of Congress said the exchange showed Trump had no intention of calling off the rioters even as lawmakers were pleading with him to intervene. Several said it amounted to a dereliction of his presidential duty.
www.cnn.com
Wonder if they will call witnesses after all?
In an expletive-laced phone call with House Republican leader Kevin McCarthy while the Capitol was under attack, then-President Donald Trump said the rioters cared more about the election results than McCarthy did.
“Well, Kevin, I guess these people are more upset about the election than you are,” Trump said, according to lawmakers who were briefed on the call afterward by McCarthy. McCarthy insisted that the rioters were Trump’s supporters and begged Trump to call them off. Trump’s comment set off what Republican lawmakers familiar with the call described as a shouting match between the two men. A furious McCarthy told the President the rioters were breaking into his office through the windows, and asked Trump, “Who the f--k do you think you are talking to?” according to a Republican lawmaker familiar with the call.
The newly revealed details of the call, described to CNN by multiple Republicans briefed on it, provide critical insight into the President’s state of mind as rioters were overrunning the Capitol. The existence of the call and some of its details have been previously reported and discussed publicly by McCarthy. The Republican members of Congress said the exchange showed Trump had no intention of calling off the rioters even as lawmakers were pleading with him to intervene. Several said it amounted to a dereliction of his presidential duty.
New details about Trump-McCarthy shouting match show Trump refused to call off the rioters
In an expletive-laced phone call with House Republican leader Kevin McCarthy while the Capitol was under attack, then-President Donald Trump said the rioters cared more about the election results than McCarthy did.
www.cnn.com
honestly they should just prosecute him criminally..and then good luck finding 12 jurors with zero deplorables...Details on a conversation between Trump and the house rep leader, McCarthy are coming out today.
Wonder if they will call witnesses after all?
In an expletive-laced phone call with House Republican leader Kevin McCarthy while the Capitol was under attack, then-President Donald Trump said the rioters cared more about the election results than McCarthy did.
“Well, Kevin, I guess these people are more upset about the election than you are,” Trump said, according to lawmakers who were briefed on the call afterward by McCarthy. McCarthy insisted that the rioters were Trump’s supporters and begged Trump to call them off. Trump’s comment set off what Republican lawmakers familiar with the call described as a shouting match between the two men. A furious McCarthy told the President the rioters were breaking into his office through the windows, and asked Trump, “Who the f--k do you think you are talking to?” according to a Republican lawmaker familiar with the call.
The newly revealed details of the call, described to CNN by multiple Republicans briefed on it, provide critical insight into the President’s state of mind as rioters were overrunning the Capitol. The existence of the call and some of its details have been previously reported and discussed publicly by McCarthy. The Republican members of Congress said the exchange showed Trump had no intention of calling off the rioters even as lawmakers were pleading with him to intervene. Several said it amounted to a dereliction of his presidential duty.
New details about Trump-McCarthy shouting match show Trump refused to call off the rioters
In an expletive-laced phone call with House Republican leader Kevin McCarthy while the Capitol was under attack, then-President Donald Trump said the rioters cared more about the election results than McCarthy did.
That’s what I’ve been saying...Trump along with Rudy and Mo Brooks, inciting a riot...they’d have a better chance at a criminal trial.
When the Democrats used it did they result in anything close to the Capitol riots?
Of course. The whole summer cities burned. A church across the lawn from the White House was even set on fire. And did you forget the storming of the Supreme Court during the Kavanaugh hearings and Chuck Schumer threatening the Court?
The summer riots were a protest of police brutality while the Capitol riots were for the “The Big Lie”...The summer riots didn’t have Joe Biden or any democrat encouraging them to riot while Trump did.
Not half because the vote that it was constitutional was carried including some republicans..
LOL. Yea i guess the GOP senators who will no doubt vote for acquittal are abrogating their oaths and duties because the are afraid of the mainstream media.
Unfortunately, prosecuting someone for incitement is a much higher standard.
You don't understand. For these people it is about magic words, not context. They said the word "fight". They questioned the legitimacy of Trump's win. People protested and marched and did sit ins in government buildings.
To people only capable of limited, binary thinking, these things are exactly the same as what happened on the 6th. It's like jcpro's magic words interpretation of the Constitution, a sort of ridiculous attachment to a black and white interpretation that bears no relation to reality but is tied into a kind of arid formalism.
In the end, It's just the dril tweet.
not sure how significant that difference is. In the end of the day, one juror's reasonable doubt is another juror's balance of probabilities, so to speak. I.e. it's about jurors a lot more than it is about the black letter law.
First impeachment was also treated by all as if it was a criminal case and the deplorables were super happy to talk about it as such on social media etc.
Aside from politics, political will behind the prosecution etc, the higher standard legally speaking is: any one juror out of twelve can fuck up the case into a mistrial, while you only need 2/3 of the senate to convict.
But they do have their 1/3 so you may as well roll the dice and see what the 12 jurors would do.
That’s why I think in actuality it’s a purely political choice and decision.
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The deplorables wanted to talk about it as if it was a criminal trial because it gave more protection for the president.
I see your point about it still is all about what the jurors are willing to do, but I still think getting a conviction for incitement in the US is very difficult.
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