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Trump, Democrats offer duelling arguments ahead of Senate impeachment trial

bver_hunter

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I acknowledged that some of Trump's choices for his defense team were not smart. Comment #58 explains why I don't think Schiff is a good choice for the prosecution.

It's kind of like fantasy football. You don't just pick players from your home team.
We can agree too disagree on this fact. Schiff has definitely provided the facts in a very concise manner. We know that the Republicans have no response to it and cannot dispute all the evidence that Schiff has laid out very eloquently with videos and timelines. All that The Republican defence team will state is that Trump did nothing wrong and the Democrats did not provide any new facts, and so no evidence or witnesses are required in this trial!!
 

toguy5252

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I acknowledged that some of Trump's choices for his defense team were not smart. Comment #58 explains why I don't think Schiff is a good choice for the prosecution.

It's kind of like fantasy football. You don't just pick players from your home team.
Shiff[s closing which just finished was devastating. In a world in which the GOP Senators were not in his employ of the Chosen One would be packing his bags. having said that I doubt one Senator will change his/her vote. They know who the boss is.
 

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Second, I actually believe when Schiff introduces some new evidence and stops repeating himself constantly, all the Senators will take it into consideration.
You mean when the GOP votes to allow new witnesses and evidence?
When midnight mitch lets Bolton, Parnas, Giuliani and Trump testify?

Then you'll get new evidence, like Trump says, they have 'all the materials'.
 

WyattEarp

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We could debate Schiff's arguments, but I'm just saying from a political persuasion standpoint he's the wrong messenger. He's a very partisan politician who doesn't really advance the cause of persuading the American public.

If you love Schiff and everything he says, fine. See beyond that.
 

bver_hunter

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Schiff accurately pinpointed all the facts and that is all that matters. Talking about partisan, we know that McConnell has publicly stated that he will conduct the proceedings in a very partisan manner. Something that contradicts what he swore to at the start of the trial. This whole trial that is set up to not permit any witnesses or documentary evidence is very biased in Trump's favour. This is contrary to what the majority of the American public desire!!
 

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Shiff[s closing which just finished was devastating. In a world in which the GOP Senators were not in his employ of the Chosen One would be packing his bags. having said that I doubt one Senator will change his/her vote. They know who the boss is.
Schiff has been riveting throughout the impeachment trial thus far and yes his closing arguments last night awoke many a bleary eyed viewer from their slumber to sit up and pay attention, close attention to the ironclad case for conviction and the imperative and necessity of removal from office.


Anyone listening to Schiff present his arguments was either left utterly and totally convinced or shut them off like Wyatt Earp just because they were too damn forceful, impactful, riveting, just and right.
 

Dutch Oven

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Schiff has been riveting throughout the impeachment trial thus far and yes his closing arguments last night awoke many a bleary eyed viewer from their slumber to sit up and pay attention, close attention to the ironclad case for conviction and the imperative and necessity of removal from office.


Anyone listening to Schiff present his arguments was either left utterly and totally convinced or shut them off like Wyatt Earp just because they were too damn forceful, impactful, riveting, just and right.
It's hard to know whether to take this kind of post seriously. Schiff's argument was the same as the case he laid out in his committee report. It relies on his inferences more than on facts, and those inferences are just not convincing as a matter of logic (or evidence, if that standard applied). If his case really was "ironclad" there will/would be broad support for it in the upcoming vote, and there won't be, because the GOP and WH will present all of its logical/evidentiary holes, holes that anyone following this theatre in an even marginally objective way can already see for themselves. Also, there would be no desperate need to attempt to supplement the case with more evidence. That's Schiff's way of admitting that the evidence is less than "ironclad".

The truth is - it's difficult to impeach a president, as it should be. The threshold for a succesful impeachment is much higher than just presenting a case that the President did something wrong or ill-advised.

The only things "riveting" about Schiff are his ferret-like appearance and cringe-worthy over-acting. I'll admit his performance is engaging, but not in a positivie way. Kind of like watching a bad B horror movie that you realize is terrible after 15 minutes, but have to watch to the end to see just how bad it can get.

Any captain can claim that his ship is water-tight, but the proof will lie in whether it ends up resting on the bottom.
 

jcpro

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LOL! The Democrats are not serious about the impeachment. If they were, neither Schiff nor Nadler would be speaking in the Senate. Nadler had the stones to accuse the Republican Senators of cover up and Schiff, after obstructing the Republicans in his committee, started blabbing about Putin and Russia. As if the Mueller's investigation has never happened. All this is, in the absence of a platform and viable candidates, is a 2020 campaign strategy.
 

Frankfooter

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LOL! The Democrats are not serious about the impeachment. If they were, neither Schiff nor Nadler would be speaking in the Senate. Nadler had the stones to accuse the Republican Senators of cover up and Schiff, after obstructing the Republicans in his committee, started blabbing about Putin and Russia. As if the Mueller's investigation has never happened. All this is, in the absence of a platform and viable candidates, is a 2020 campaign strategy.
It wouldn't matter if it was someone else, Trump would insult them and then you'd parrot that insult here.
Schiff and Nadler have presented a rock solid case, the issue is that the GOP values power over integrity.

As for Mueller, we've found out that the Russians have been financing Giuliani through Parnas already and they used the same hackers to try get dirt on Biden, like they did on Clinton.
 

jcpro

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It wouldn't matter if it was someone else, Trump would insult them and then you'd parrot that insult here.
Schiff and Nadler have presented a rock solid case, the issue is that the GOP values power over integrity.

As for Mueller, we've found out that the Russians have been financing Giuliani through Parnas already and they used the same hackers to try get dirt on Biden, like they did on Clinton.
Where did I insult Nadler or Schiff in my post? Nadler did " upset" the soft Republican Senators and Schiff did stepped way outside the impeachment articles. Perhaps you should rewind their speeches.
 

Valcazar

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. started blabbing about Putin and Russia. As if the Mueller's investigation has never happened.
Are you under the impression the Mueller investigation showed Putin and Russia didn't interfere to help Trump?
 

WyattEarp

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Schiff is and wants to be the poster boy for the Impeachment. Should Impeaching a President really have a poster boy?
 

Frankfooter

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Where did I insult Nadler or Schiff in my post? Nadler did " upset" the soft Republican Senators and Schiff did stepped way outside the impeachment articles. Perhaps you should rewind their speeches.
right here
LOL! The Democrats are not serious about the impeachment. If they were, neither Schiff nor Nadler would be speaking in the Senate.
They've both made a rock solid case.
 

jcpro

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You think Trump has the 'materials' to prove himself innocent?
Is that why they only booked 2 hours for his defense?
ROFLMAO!!! Trump doesn't have to prove anything. The case is finished. Schiff made sure of it by peddling the fake "heads on a pike" story in the Senate. Good luck, next time.
 

bver_hunter

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Biggest coverup in American History. The Republicans saw the evidence that was put out there and instead of disputing it, their only arguments will be "no wrongdoings"!!
 

Frankfooter

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ROFLMAO!!! Trump doesn't have to prove anything. The case is finished. Schiff made sure of it by peddling the fake "heads on a pike" story in the Senate. Good luck, next time.
Right, so because the GOP is insulted from an ABC news story they no longer have to do their constitutional duty?
Holy partisan bullshit.

 

jcpro

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Right, so because the GOP is insulted from an ABC news story they no longer have to do their constitutional duty?
Holy partisan bullshit.

Yawn.
 
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