Illegal migrant set train passenger on fire and watched her burn to death

[Butler1000]

That still does not mean open borders.
You can criticize the decision to let them in but saying it is open borders is not accurate.

It's about enforcement of laws and policy. No nation has "open borders". Porous is probably a better description. But it's about messaging so "open" is a simpler term.

Considering Obama was the Deporter in Chief and build the kiddie cages I never saw the Dems as open border. Just quite hypocritical in their messaging. But the messaging is part of the problem. It encouraged people to try. And weaker enforcement due to optics(although I laughed when they used Obama era pictures of Kids in Cages to try to bust on Trump) and trying to please a vocal base just created more problems.

The citizens of the USA don't like to admit a portion of their economy has always relied on, dating back to slavery, with having a controlled minority to handle domestic work, farm work, and other menial tasks. Preferably one law enforcement is free to handle roughly to keep them in line.

Democrats, if they really believed in freedom, would roll back sanctions policy that drives people to seek asylum. And make laws that punish the employers of illegals. That would kill the market.

Of course then the rich fucks would have to pay fair wages, and the Dem donors don't want that either.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

But it's about messaging so "open" is a simpler term.

And it would also be a false term to use.
There were more deportations under Biden than under Trump per the article I posted above.
By the way all borders are porous.
There is no real requirement to have an "airtight" border.
Its not even possible in my opinion.
Even heavily militarized ones like the North Korean border has had successful defections.
Illegal immigration is an issue but it is not the most important.
I can think of atleast 5 others before immigration.
It has been used as a dogwhistle to rally a base of voters and made into the top issue.
The majority of the people talking about immigration have absolutely no interaction with immigrants in their daily lives.

 

[Butler1000]

And it would also be a false term to use.
There were more deportations under Biden than under Trump per the article I posted above.
By the way all borders are porous.
There is no real requirement to have an "airtight" border.
Its not even possible in my opinion.
Even heavily militarized ones like the North Korean border has had successful defections.
Illegal immigration is an issue but it is not the most important.
I can think of atleast 5 others before immigration.
It has been used as a dogwhistle to rally a base of voters and made into the top issue.
The majority of the people talking about immigration have absolutely no interaction with immigrants in their daily lives.

Stop being so literal.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Stop being so literal.

Well don't exaggerate.

 

[Butler1000]

Well don't exaggerate.

Oh ffs. You are being nit picky now. Seriously.

 

[southpaw]

Its not even possible in my opinion.
Even heavily militarized ones like the North Korean border has had successful defections.

How many defections? A million each year? If you can't stop everyone, should you not stop anyone? The Korean DMZ is more secure than the US southern border.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

How many defections? A million each year? If you can't stop everyone, should you not stop anyone? The Korean DMZ is more secure than the US southern border.

The US already stops 100s of thousands.
Law enforcement already exists.
My point is immigration is blown out of proportion as an issue.

 

[southpaw]

The US already stops 100s of thousands.
Law enforcement already exists.
My point is immigration is blown out of proportion as an issue.

The US electorate disagrees with you.

 

[mandrill]

It's about enforcement of laws and policy. No nation has "open borders". Porous is probably a better description. But it's about messaging so "open" is a simpler term.

Considering Obama was the Deporter in Chief and build the kiddie cages I never saw the Dems as open border. Just quite hypocritical in their messaging. But the messaging is part of the problem. It encouraged people to try. And weaker enforcement due to optics(although I laughed when they used Obama era pictures of Kids in Cages to try to bust on Trump) and trying to please a vocal base just created more problems.

The citizens of the USA don't like to admit a portion of their economy has always relied on, dating back to slavery, with having a controlled minority to handle domestic work, farm work, and other menial tasks. Preferably one law enforcement is free to handle roughly to keep them in line.

Democrats, if they really believed in freedom, would roll back sanctions policy that drives people to seek asylum. And make laws that punish the employers of illegals. That would kill the market.

Of course then the rich fucks would have to pay fair wages, and the Dem donors don't want that either.

You do realize that the current wave of asylum seekers comes from Central America and those places have fuck all to do with "sanctions"??

And the asylum seekers came in caravans when Trump was last in power. It's go fuck all to do with who is in power and a lot to do with utter desperation.

Ask when the GOP is going to resile from the UNCHR. That would stop the caravans. But the GOP won't attempt to stem the flow of asylum seekers. They will denounce it, but secretly work to increase it. That way, they can point to the statistics and claim that it's a crisis.

It's bullshit and lies and marketing.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

The US electorate disagrees with you.

"My point is immigration is blown out of proportion as an issue."
Unfortunately they are inundated with the propaganda.

 

[mandrill]

The US already stops 100s of thousands.
Law enforcement already exists.
My point is immigration is blown out of proportion as an issue.

It's a tactic to ramp up the millions of racists in the GOP voting base and get them to hustle out to the polls.

 

[squeezer]

The real local homegrown citizens. A mass shooting culprit caught live. Of course, it was racially motivated.

Thoughts and prayers....Yeah, ok. Although all the victims survived their injuries. He wasn't very efficient.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

The real local homegrown citizens. A mass shooting culprit caught live. Of course, it was racially motivated.

Thoughts and prayers....Yeah, ok. Although all the victims survived their injuries. He wasn't very efficient.

Not even 3rd world countries have this sort of problem.

 

[southpaw]

"My point is immigration is blown out of proportion as an issue."
Unfortunately they are inundated with the propaganda.

Here are some facts then. This is not blown out of proportion. This is the greatest existential threat the US currently faces.

Breaking Down the Immigration Figures - FactCheck.org

Encounters on the southern border of those trying to enter the U.S. without authorization have gone up significantly under President Joe Biden. Government statistics show that in the initial processing of millions of encounters, 2.5 million people have been released into the U.S. and 2.8 million...

www.factcheck.org

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Here are some facts then. This is not blown out of proportion. This is the greatest existential threat the US currently faces.

Breaking Down the Immigration Figures - FactCheck.org

Encounters on the southern border of those trying to enter the U.S. without authorization have gone up significantly under President Joe Biden. Government statistics show that in the initial processing of millions of encounters, 2.5 million people have been released into the U.S. and 2.8 million...

www.factcheck.org

The numbers aren't big enough to call this the number 1 issue the US faces or that it is an existential threat (which seems to indicate that America's sovereignty is under threat).
There are several more important issues - healthcare, the economy, deficit, debt, inflation, Gun violence, violent crime, etc that are more important than illegal immigration.
The numbers can also mislead and are used dishonestly by Republicans in very simplistic narratives. Your article explains it well.

 

[southpaw]

...or that it is an existential threat (which seems to indicate that America's sovereignty is under threat).

That's exactly what it indicates. The unauthorized entry of millions of foreign citizens into your territory amounts to an invasion. It may be an unarmed invasion, but it is an invasion all the same. And an invasion is a threat to your sovereignty.

Ask Japan, or China, or India, or the Gulf States, on how they would respond to a situation like this at their borders.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

That's exactly what it indicates. The unauthorized entry of millions of foreign citizens into your territory amounts to an invasion. It may be an unarmed invasion, but it is an invasion all the same. And an invasion is a threat to your sovereignty.

Ask Japan, or China, or India, or the Gulf States, on how they would respond to a situation like this at their borders.

The article suggests that the majority of them are removed right away.
The numbers posted in the article are not in any way alarming.
There is also a process for asylum seekers, removals, paroles etc. which needs to be followed.
It is hardly an "invasion" or a threat to sovereignty considering these migrants have no weapons, or even rights to vote and are being allowed in by border patrol and the immigration courts.