Modern Islam is the grass. Radical Islam is the snake in the grass.
The problem lies within their ideology.
The problem lies within their ideology.
I will never hate Islam again!
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How many of them were your hand with a religious symbol drawn on it?
You could say that about Christianity and Judaism as well.
Don't conflate socio-political values with religious ones. What is shared in the former is based on racial lines not religious ones.
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The term "Judeo-Christian values" refers to a set of moral, ethical, and cultural principles derived from the shared heritage of the Hebrew Bible (the Old Testament) and the Christian New Testament. It is used to describe the religious foundation that shaped Western law, politics, and social norms.
Core Ethical Principles
While Judaism and Christianity have distinct theological doctrines, the concept of Judeo-Christian values focuses on their overlapping moral teachings:
If you would like to explore this further, let me know if you want to look into how these values influenced the legal system, or examine the specific theological differences between Jewish and Christian ethics.
- The Ten Commandments: Serves as the primary moral framework for justice, prohibitions against theft and murder, and social order.
- Inherent Dignity of Human Life: Derived from the biblical concept that humans are created "in the image of God".
- Individual Free Will and Moral Responsibility: The belief that individuals are moral agents accountable for their own actions and choices.
- The Golden Rule: The fundamental principle to "love your neighbor as yourself" and treat others with empathy and fairness.
- Objective Moral Truth: The idea that right and wrong are absolute laws established by a Creator, rather than shifting human opinions.
Historical and Political Context
The term itself is relatively modern and has evolved through distinct political eras:
- Mid-20th Century Inclusivity: The phrase gained popularity in the United States during the 1930s and 1940s. It was used by religious and civic leaders to counter antisemitism and build a more pluralistic American identity that included Jewish citizens.
- The Cold War: During the 1950s, the term was widely used to unite the American public against the "godless communism" of the Soviet Union.
- The Religious Right: Beginning in the 1980s, conservative political movements adopted the phrase to campaign against secularism and defend traditional family structures.
Criticisms and Debates
The concept is a subject of ongoing cultural and academic debate:
- Theological Differences: Critics point out that the term glosses over fundamental contradictions between the two faiths. Judaism prioritizes correct action and law (orthopraxy), while Christianity emphasizes correct belief and faith (orthodoxy).
- Historical Erasure: Many Jewish historians and commentators note that the term "Judeo-Christian" whitewashes centuries of Christian antisemitism and persecution against Jewish minorities in Europe.
- Political Exclusivity: Some scholars argue the term is used in modern politics as an ideological barrier to exclude other groups, particularly Muslims, by framing Western civilization as strictly Judeo-Christian.
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The so called shared values were cemented by the hatred for Muslims based on race and Islam challenging both the Christian and Judaism narrative...how could the last colored kid on the block challenge their beliefs.
Jews doesn't believe in Jesus and the Trinity. These are the basis of Christianity without ANY of these there will be no Christianity period!
It's blasphemy in Judaism to believe in any of the above. Ask any Jew where Jesus is at tge moment. Their loathe for him is such that they cannot mention his name but refer to him as JC.
Try better.
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The term "Judeo-Christian values" refers to a set of moral, ethical, and cultural principles derived from the shared heritage of the Hebrew Bible (the Old Testament) and the Christian New Testament. It is used to describe the religious foundation that shaped Western law, politics, and social norms.
JC? Where did you get that from lol...
As a Jew, I have almost never heard any other Jew refer to Jesus as other than Jesus.
Hardly ever Jesus Christ.
Sometimes Jesus F*cking Christ as an angry expletive at some non-religion related issue...
Also, we do not loathe him. We just don't believe he was anything more than a heretic rabbi, with a significant following sect, in his day, and certainly not God , or the son of God.
Actually many Jews do respect the "love of each other" in his teachings, as compared to the "fear of God" taught by most rabbis of his time.
fwiw
Try watching these among others...am sure you'll come
back that they are rogue rabbis. These video covers the WHOLE topic of JC and shared values.Here.
And this, he actually says that Christianity is wrong
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judeo-Christian values 
they spit on churches in Israel. They break statues of Jesus in Palestine and gaza. I watched a clip from Tucker Carlson where he says that Christians flourish in Jordan under the Muslim king. They are actually doing better than Muslims in most cases economically. The same is the case in Palestine. But as soon as Israel starts taking over, churches are getting vandalized and broken, Christians are oppressed. Don’t ever make up this judeo-Christian bs anymore. It’s a lie. 2 seperate religions. That term was coined to use Christians. Will never fall for this
they spit on churches in Israel. They break statues of Jesus in Palestine and gaza. I watched a clip from Tucker Carlson where he says that Christians flourish in Jordan under the Muslim king. They are actually doing better than Muslims in most cases economically. The same is the case in Palestine. But as soon as Israel starts taking over, churches are getting vandalized and broken, Christians are oppressed. Don’t ever make up this judeo-Christian bs anymore. It’s a lie. 2 seperate religions. That term was coined to use Christians. Will never fall for this
Wrong...you really believe Christian churches teach to hate Muslims? have you been to one? I don't like my religion either but that's not what they teach there lmao....A guy started a thread "I will never hate Muslim again and claims to be Christian" is believable enough...lol... I don't like Christian churches because they are hypocrites...they pass around those baskets for $$$ and enrich themselves....i have not recall them calling believers of other religion "infidels"...
This thread was never about Christians teaching hate to Muslims...judeo-Christian values
There is nothing called Judeo-Christian values. It is a made up term by the Israel first twats to manufacture a sense of (non-existent) shared values.
There is no alignment of values between Judaism and Christianity and in fact there are profound theological disagreements.
Jesus was a Jew who was snitched on by other Jews and eventually killed by the Romans.
Jews were also subject to genocide by Christians and anti-semitism was rampant in the west.
Given this history, one couldn't possibly be deluded enough to think that "Judeo-Christian" values are a thing or that they built our culture and institutions. lmfao.
An article from a Rabbi:
There is no ‘Judeo-Christian’ tradition | The Jerusalem Post
Judaism and Christianity both claim to be true, but they have rival versions of the truth.
www.jpost.com
Idk, I recently remember Christians bombing Muslims and killing 3000 people, along with 200 kids.
I also remember Jews committing genocide.
And Christians starting wars all over the world, in the Middle East, Africa, South America, supporting brutal dictatorships.
And Jews, with moral and economic support by Christians, bombing schools and hospitals, pulverizing communities, starving and torturing and raping people, cutting
off humanitarian aid, stealing land, kicking families out of their homes for themselves.
All under the guise of reclaiming a land they haven't lived in for thousands of years because it says so
in a book that they made up, about a god they made up, that says they're the chosen people.
You gotta love those Judeo-Christian values.
As someone who was raised in a purely secular home and has remained secular throughout his life, why anyone gives their life to any religion is beyond my comprehension.
Unlike a lot of atheists, I have taken time to study and learn about religions.
Christianity, to me, looks like a doctrine that was started as a money-making scheme by Saint Paul and was later used as a doctrine to unify the Roman Empire and later spread throughout Europe and the New World through conversion and the adoption of the faith by the upper classes.
Islam, to me, sounds like it was created to consolidate tribal power in Arabia. Unlike early Christianity, Islam spread through violent conquest, not conversion and conversation.
Today, Islam is the religion that is most prone to having followers that use violence as a means; but for much of the Middle Ages, Christianity was the more violent religion -- just look at the Crusades.
Unlike a lot of atheists, I have taken time to study and learn about religions.
Christianity, to me, looks like a doctrine that was started as a money-making scheme by Saint Paul and was later used as a doctrine to unify the Roman Empire and later spread throughout Europe and the New World through conversion and the adoption of the faith by the upper classes.
Islam, to me, sounds like it was created to consolidate tribal power in Arabia. Unlike early Christianity, Islam spread through violent conquest, not conversion and conversation.
Today, Islam is the religion that is most prone to having followers that use violence as a means; but for much of the Middle Ages, Christianity was the more violent religion -- just look at the Crusades.
As for me, and as an atheist who is genetically Jewish, I truly believe that, although religion is as universal as tribalism, much more harm has been done in the name of all religions with which I am familiar, than good.
Look at all the wars that have been fought over religion.
Look at the Muslims and Christians' violent efforts over the ages to convert people to their religions, whether by colonizing, or by outright conquering them.
The intolerance of many religions for breaking their rules, (many of which would not be considered criminal in a court of law) range from simply not being allowed into heaven (as if heaven exists), all the way to to execution, often by extremely cruel means, on Earth.
Btw, even if Jews are currently colonizing in Palestine, over and beyond their original 1948 borders, they are not trying to convert any Muslims or Christians to Judaism. They are merely trying to prevent being conquered themselves, which intent the Arab nations do not even try to disavow. and as evidenced by the many wars the Arab nations have instigated against Israel since its founding.
The only reason I support Israel ideologically, is because it was supposed to be a safe haven for Jews who have been persecuted for many centuries, culminating with the Holocaust, and whose survivors were not allowed into many Christian countries, and who were eventually expelled from most Muslim countries. And given the amount of general "barely under the surface" antisemitism that has been exposed since the Oct. 7, 2023 attack on Israel, even in North America, I still believe Jews need a safe haven, especially if history repeats itself, which it often does.
Unfortunately, religion and tribalism, with all the intolerance and territorialism they imply, are human nature, and will always exist.
Why should it matter that Jews don't accept Jesus as being God or the Son of God, while the Christians do? How does that affect their everyday lives?
There will never be "peace in our time", or in any future time, for that matter.
Look at all the wars that have been fought over religion.
Look at the Muslims and Christians' violent efforts over the ages to convert people to their religions, whether by colonizing, or by outright conquering them.
The intolerance of many religions for breaking their rules, (many of which would not be considered criminal in a court of law) range from simply not being allowed into heaven (as if heaven exists), all the way to to execution, often by extremely cruel means, on Earth.
Btw, even if Jews are currently colonizing in Palestine, over and beyond their original 1948 borders, they are not trying to convert any Muslims or Christians to Judaism. They are merely trying to prevent being conquered themselves, which intent the Arab nations do not even try to disavow. and as evidenced by the many wars the Arab nations have instigated against Israel since its founding.
The only reason I support Israel ideologically, is because it was supposed to be a safe haven for Jews who have been persecuted for many centuries, culminating with the Holocaust, and whose survivors were not allowed into many Christian countries, and who were eventually expelled from most Muslim countries. And given the amount of general "barely under the surface" antisemitism that has been exposed since the Oct. 7, 2023 attack on Israel, even in North America, I still believe Jews need a safe haven, especially if history repeats itself, which it often does.
Unfortunately, religion and tribalism, with all the intolerance and territorialism they imply, are human nature, and will always exist.
Why should it matter that Jews don't accept Jesus as being God or the Son of God, while the Christians do? How does that affect their everyday lives?
There will never be "peace in our time", or in any future time, for that matter.
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yea tell me about it every time i'd go we were taught to love everyone and not hate anyone he must have gone to one of those exclusive muslim hating sunday schools cause i never heard of that
While I am sure Jews were not always well treated in Muslim countries
I'd be surprised if they were ever expelled like they were by Queen Isabella I
from Spain. To my knowledge many of the expelled Jews from the time
of Spanish Inquisition found refuge in Muslim countries. Muslims has a
long history of co-existence with the Jews. They held Abraham and Moses
with reverence.
Mixed reasons.
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A number of small-scale Jewish migrations began across the Middle East in the early 20th century, with the only substantial aliyot (Jewish immigrations to the Land of Israel) coming from Yemen and Syria.
Few Jews from Muslim countries immigrated during the British Mandate for Palestine.
Prior to Israel's independence in 1948, approximately 800,000 Jews were living on lands that now make up the Arab world. Of these, just under two-thirds lived in the French- and Italian-controlled regions of North Africa, 15–20% lived in the Kingdom of Iraq, approximately 10% lived in the Kingdom of Egypt, and approximately 7% lived in the Aden Colony, Aden Protectorate and the Kingdom of Yemen. A further 200,000 Jews lived in the Imperial State of Iran and the Republic of Turkey. The first large-scale exoduses took place in the late 1940s and early 1950s, primarily from Iraq, Yemen, and Libya. In these cases, over 90% of the Jewish population left, leaving their assets and properties behind.
Between 1948 and 1951, 250,000 Jews immigrated to Israel from Arab countries. In response, the Israeli government implemented policies to accommodate 600,000 immigrants over four years, doubling the country's Jewish population. Reactions in the Knesset were mixed; in addition to some Israeli officials, there were those within the Jewish Agency who opposed promoting a large-scale emigration movement among Jews whose lives were not in immediate danger.
Later waves peaked at different times in different regions over the subsequent decades. The exodus from Egypt peaked in 1956, following the Suez Crisis; emigrations from other North African countries peaked in the 1960s. Lebanon's Jewish population temporarily increased due to an influx of Jews from other Arab countries, before it dwindled by the mid-1970s. 600,000 Jews from Arab and Muslim countries had relocated to Israel by 1972, while another 300,000 migrated to France, the United States and Canada. Today, the descendants of Jews who immigrated to Israel from other Middle Eastern lands (known as Mizrahi Jews and Sephardic Jews) constitute more than half of all Israelis. The Jewish Agency for Israel estimated that the total number of Jews in Arab and Muslim countries in 2023 was 27,000, with Turkey having 14,200 Jewish residents and Iran having 9,100.
The reasons for the exoduses include: pull factors such as the desire to fulfill Zionism, better economic prospects and security, and the Israeli government's "One Million Plan" to accommodate Jewish immigrants from Arab- and Muslim-majority countries; and push factors such as violent and other forms of antisemitism in the Arab world, political instability, poverty, and expulsion. The history of the exodus has been politicized, given its proposed relevance to the historical narrative of the Arab–Israeli conflict. Those who view the Jewish exodus as analogous to the 1948 Palestinian expulsion and flight generally emphasize the push factors and consider those who left to have been refugees, while those who oppose that view generally emphasize the pull factors and consider the Jews to have been willing immigrants.
Don't forget under the mantra of saving people from dictatorship, the very people they end up bombing:
Saving Iran from the Mullahs
Saving Iraq from Saddam
Libya from Gaddafi
Syria from Assad
Sudan from Bashir
Yemen from the Houthis
How do you like those countries now?
Yet, saving Palestinians from Israel? How about the Uighers? How about the Rohingas? Sure they care for humanity unless you are Muslims
