I think the Freedom Convoy may have already accomplished something…

silentkisser

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You are so fixated on stereotyping others that you have forgotten how to view anything objectively
I have watched Fox. I know what they say. I see the results. Especially here.

Oh Boy
That is what your imagination thinks he is saying, and unless you have a recording of him saying that you are just spewing unfounded crap
Have you listened to him? He says is all the time!

Frado Cumo and Don Lemon have spew all sorts of loonie left crapola on CNN
If I listen to them it is because the remote is out of reach
Do I wet my pants like you do over Tucker Carlson ?
Of course not. I know the vast majority of all Americans are capable of smelling bullshit.
Hence the decline in CNN ratings
That's the best you got? No examples? I could easily produce episode after episode of Tucker saying white nationalistic shit. Hell, a google search could do that easily enough. Find me the equivalent with Cuomo of Lemon.

Stop thinking with your feelings, use your brain instead

of course I could not. I did not bother to search
Your premise was ridiculous to begin with and trimming my toenails was a better use of my time
The fact that you couldn't bother shows you probably know you can't. Is the premise ridiculous because you know I'm right? I mean, that sounds like a pretty weak rebuttal. You can't show me an elected Democrat who has done anything similar to Gosar, and if they did, didn't face other members from calling them out for it.
 

danmand

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So you believe minority populations should assimilate to the lifestyle of the great majority? Then the unvaxxed should do the same. Assimilate for the greater good of the society to be part of it = get vaccinated.
All experiences from all countries show that immigrants assimilate by the next generation. Surely that has been the case in Canada.

By the way, when I became a Canadian citizen, I received a nice letter from the minister of Immigration and Citizenship, asking me to use my different experience and outlook to improve Canadian Society.
 

JohnLarue

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All experiences from all countries show that immigrants assimilate by the next generation. Surely that has been the case in Canada.

By the way, when I became a Canadian citizen, I received a nice letter from the minister of Immigration and Citizenship, asking me to use my different experience and outlook to improve Canadian Society.
I doubt they were expecting your advocating a foolish switch to socialism
 

Frankfooter

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blacks are getting shot by police and arrested more often because lager portion of black population commit violent crimes? It has nothing to do with skin colour - it is because of the social-economic conditions many black people live in.
Yes, its about systematic racism and the lack of opportunities to get out of poor, segregated and troubled neighbourhoods.
 

danmand

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I doubt they were expecting your advocating a foolish switch to socialism
From reading your posts, one would conclude they did.
 
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JohnLarue

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I have watched Fox. I know what they say. I see the results. Especially here.
Oh great an arm chair amateur psychologist who does not understand the meaning of objectivity or subjective bias

Have you listened to him? He says is all the time!
Not that I have seen. He is no fan of left wing politics, or CRT but that is not white nationalist

Do not watch him if that is what you think
Or is it the idea of others watching him that is your problem?

That's the best you got? No examples? I could easily produce episode after episode of Tucker saying white nationalistic shit. Hell, a google search could do that easily enough. Find me the equivalent with Cuomo of Lemon.
  1. I do not take orders from you
  2. I do not believe you
  3. Re Frado Cuomo or Lemon- sorry still busy trimming my toenails

The fact that you couldn't bother shows you probably know you can't.
No, I told you. Trimming my toenails is a far better use of my time

Is the premise ridiculous because you know I'm right?
Try applying some fundamental logic to that question

I mean, that sounds like a pretty weak rebuttal.
It is pretty much spot on for a rebuttal to a ridiculous premise
Do you need help understanding what ridiculous means ?


You can't show me an elected Democrat who has done anything similar to Gosar, and if they did, didn't face other members from calling them out for it.
You are really struggling with the concept of me not expending any time/energy doing what you command
 

PeteOsborne

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More convoy accomplishments.
Shutdown plants on both sides of the border sending over a hundred thousand workers home.
https://www.businessinsider.com/can...closure-of-carmakers-plants-in-ontario-2022-2
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/au...-halting-production-border-protests-rcna15632
Grocery store shelves were never empty because of the vaccine mandate but will be shortly because of this blockade.
Local and short run truckers will be affected by this as well as cross border deliveries are delayed, LTL, transfer and peddle run drivers will have nothing to deliver.
Trickle down effects of these blockades affect thousands of companies on both sides of the border.
Ambassador bridge blockade consists of 100 people and has lasted 3 days, why?, shouldn't have lasted three minutes.
I have seen 4 bouncers clear a bar of over a hundred drunks in less than 1/2 hr.
Windsor police have 473 officers.
 

Male4Strapon

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More convoy accomplishments.
Shutdown plants on both sides of the border sending over a hundred thousand workers home.
https://www.businessinsider.com/can...closure-of-carmakers-plants-in-ontario-2022-2
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/au...-halting-production-border-protests-rcna15632
Grocery store shelves were never empty because of the vaccine mandate but will be shortly because of this blockade.
Local and short run truckers will be affected by this as well as cross border deliveries are delayed, LTL, transfer and peddle run drivers will have nothing to deliver.
Trickle down effects of these blockades affect thousands of companies on both sides of the border.
Ambassador bridge blockade consists of 100 people and has lasted 3 days, why?, shouldn't have lasted three minutes.
I have seen 4 bouncers clear a bar of over a hundred drunks in less than 1/2 hr.
Windsor police have 473 officers.
Trudeau's fault...... somehow. :rolleyes:
 

danmand

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More convoy accomplishments.
Shutdown plants on both sides of the border sending over a hundred thousand workers home.
https://www.businessinsider.com/can...closure-of-carmakers-plants-in-ontario-2022-2
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/au...-halting-production-border-protests-rcna15632
Grocery store shelves were never empty because of the vaccine mandate but will be shortly because of this blockade.
Local and short run truckers will be affected by this as well as cross border deliveries are delayed, LTL, transfer and peddle run drivers will have nothing to deliver.
Trickle down effects of these blockades affect thousands of companies on both sides of the border.
Ambassador bridge blockade consists of 100 people and has lasted 3 days, why?, shouldn't have lasted three minutes.
I have seen 4 bouncers clear a bar of over a hundred drunks in less than 1/2 hr.
Windsor police have 473 officers.
The police has to be somehow involved.
 
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fall

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You're falling for a strawman argument and forcing yourself to defend the figment of his imagination. There is not and there never was a racial argument in Carlson's opposition to the illegal migration. I've been following Carlson since his days on the CNN and the Weakly Standard. He has always been very consistent on that point.
I have never actually watched Carlson :). Other than in a children's cartoons back in Russia when was a child :)
 

mandrill

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Trudeau's fault...... somehow. :rolleyes:
At this point, it is.

He should be addressing the country - not the demonstrators - about the situation and convening the House for emergency powers to clear the Ambassador Bridge.
 
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mandrill

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I have never actually watched Carlson :). Other than in a children's cartoons back in Russia when was a child :)
The American Carlson is more along the lines of "Cartoons for Adults", I guess.
 

PeteOsborne

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Two additional things.
Here at the company I work for we have been waiting for parts from Indiana to maintain a machine that manufactures $20,000 worth of product per hour.
It runs 12 hours a day creating $240,000 per day.
These parts got held up by the blockade causing this machine to be shut down yesterday and 10 workers sent home.
The truck diverted to Sarnia but is now held up in another blockade near that crossing, the driver is now out of hours and can't drive for 8 hours..
Companies we supply are now shutting down their sites and plants causing their workers to be sent home.
Additionally I was talking to a driver delivering to us this morning who saw the Canadian flag in the back and mentioned that he had put small Canadian flags on his mirror arms on Monday morning to show his support for the Canadian Olympic teams.
He was driving and couldn't figure out why people were giving him the finger, giving him dirty looks and shaking their head, until a jacked up pickup truck with two Canadian flags on hockey sticks and a sign with no mandates on it started yelling, honking their horn and giving him a thumbs up.
He said he pulled off at the next Onroute and removed the flags, no more negative reactions.
He said something like I served for 15 years and did two tours in Afghanistan and I can't even fly a Canadian flag in my own country to show my pride becuse of those assholes.
Made me think what do people think today when they see someone fying a Canadian flag?
Is it, there is a Proud Canadian or look at that meathead?
 

danmand

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At this point, it is.

He should be addressing the country - not the demonstrators - about the situation and convening the House for emergency powers to clear the Ambassador Bridge.
Why in Gods name does the Police need emergency powers to clear the Ambassador bridge?

Maybe I should paint a sign and block the off ramp from QEW to Spadina.
 

danmand

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Two additional things.
Here at the company I work for we have been waiting for parts from Indiana to maintain a machine that manufactures $20,000 worth of product per hour.
It runs 12 hours a day creating $240,000 per day.
These parts got held up by the blockade causing this machine to be shut down yesterday and 10 workers sent home.
The truck diverted to Sarnia but is now held up in another blockade near that crossing, the driver is now out of hours and can't drive for 8 hours..
Companies we supply are now shutting down their sites and plants causing their workers to be sent home.
Additionally I was talking to a driver delivering to us this morning who saw the Canadian flag in the back and mentioned that he had put small Canadian flags on his mirror arms on Monday morning to show his support for the Canadian Olympic teams.
He was driving and couldn't figure out why people were giving him the finger, giving him dirty looks and shaking their head, until a jacked up pickup truck with two Canadian flags on hockey sticks and a sign with no mandates on it started yelling, honking their horn and giving him a thumbs up.
He said he pulled off at the next Onroute and removed the flags, no more negative reactions.
He said something like I served for 15 years and did two tours in Afghanistan and I can't even fly a Canadian flag in my own country to show my pride becuse of those assholes.
Made me think what do people think today when they see someone fying a Canadian flag?
Is it, there is a Proud Canadian or look at that meathead?
Porkhead.
 

fall

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While I'm sure you're going to discount this, let's get into it. Blacks are over represented in crime stats. Is it because they are more violent, as some people want to paint them. No, probably not. What you do see happen is a zero-tolerance approach when the police or DA get involved with blacks, while whites tend to get warnings, probation or other things instead of charges (peace bonds etc.). So, statistically, you see higher levels of black arrests and convictions. The other issue is black communities are over policed. They use the "broken window" premise, so they are out every day writing tickets or making arrests where in a white neighbourhood they might give warnings or let things slide. So, the social-economic conditions black people live in is tied to this and other historical issues. Red lining and the inability of blacks to get government backed mortgages in the 50s and 60s (and even later) stole generational wealth from millions.

Finally, as the old saying goes, correlation does not imply causation. We need to look at how simple interactions with police can turn deadly for unarmed black men. Eric Garner was choked to death because he was selling loose cigarettes. Several others were shot in the back when they were running from police. Now, I know whites and other groups have been killed by police in similar fashions, but statistically, the number of blacks dying is significantly larger.

Now, as to the second point, affirmative action is not reverse discrimination. If we look at the recent college admission scandal, how many privileged, wealth white people got their kids into schools they shouldn't be attending? Think about who was squeezed out of slots for those folks?

When I hear you say reverse discrimination, I think of white victimhood. This black applicant you mention, would you have felt better if it was a white dude who was friends of the hiring manager? Or a women? Do you think affirmative action gives POC a leg up over others? I mean, compared to all the crap they need to get to that level? No matter how accomplished they are, and if they get the job totally based on merit, there will be people who say they are a token hiring, done to fullfuill some DEI initiative.

C'est la vie....
OK, let;'s go into details. Completely agree that skin colour has nothing to do with violence. It is social-economic factors theta are important. No, facts are:

Facts:
1) Negative social-economic environment leads to more violent crimes
2) A randomly chosen black person is more likely to came from negative social-economic background

Combining (1) and (2) results in correlation (not causality):

Result 1: A black person is more likely to commit violent crime

Now, social-economic environment cannot be easily observed while skin colour can, so, skin colour is visible characteristic that can be used to predict violet crimes.

Finally, police should prevent violent crimes. Combining with the above results, it implies that more policing is needed in black neighbourhoods and for black people.

Is it racists? It depends on how you define racism. There is no hate of black people is such police behaviour - it is completely rational behaviour based based on facts. So, IMHO, it is not racism.

And, again, affirmative actions may try to break the above correlation effect that is "unfair" on individual level, but it creates unfairness on individual level for white people. And getting rich kids in college has nothing to to with race: it has everything to do with lots of money and influence. And if such kids get into college, they, most likely, take the place of regular white kids since black kids do have an advantage of a white kid when such two kids come from the same neighbourhood ans have the same accomplishments.
 
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