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GotGusto said:
we're up to our necks in credit/debt (government and citizens)
But, won't the trillion dollar intergenerational transfer of wealth to the "Baby Boomers" take care of a trillion dollars of that debt?
 

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GotGusto said:
I'm deeply concerned about this. We still haven't hit bottom on this economic downturn. I fear that when we do and things begin to pick up, it's going to be a long slow road to recovery (a "recovery" that may never return to pre-downturn levels). It could be the end of an era -our [North America's] best days behind us. There are seismic economic shifts occuring right now that will be felt for decades. Debt at the individual and government level has to be reigned in, but that is going to require a complete overhaul in lifestyle.

This sounds overly dramatic, but it is not.

I'm no millionaire but I work with plenty of them. They are definitely in a "hunker down" mode. The prospect of a shrinking economy + increased taxes + increased regulation is forcing them to be risk adverse. They've stopped investing, and the downward spiral continues.
 

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GotGusto said:
-we have a growing underclass (the bottom of the barrel in society is outbreeding the elite at a rate never seen before in the modern world; the educated and ambitious -genetically more capable - aren't having kids while welfare moms are having dozens)
Thanks to the policies of the LLL. When a 16 year old girl figures she can make more money having babies than working at McDonalds or going to school, she makes babies. On the other hand, these babies grow up to provide a pool of candidates for the Marine Corp.
 

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Rockslinger said:
Thanks to the policies of the LLL. When a 16 year old girl figures she can make more money having babies than working at McDonalds or going to school, she makes babies. On the other hand, these babies grow up to provide a pool of candidates for the Marine Corp.
It's partly that but a deeper problem is that the 16 year old is not making a logical choice like the one you posit. That typical 16 year old with rugrats just wanted a baby - without even thinking of how or what way is the best way to provide for it - or had it by 'mistake'. Typically that 16 year old never intended to remain in school whether they had a kid or not.

Lastly, only a handful of those kids will become cadidates for the Marines. They're more apt to become grunts in the general army. The rest prison or menial jobs.
 

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You guys are too much first of all thank you for your suggestions and well wishes. Secondly the economy sucks but even if it was good and when it wa good we never make enough at least I don't. Look when i worked it was hard sometimes 45 50 hours a week just to pay the mortgage make the car payments put food on the table and mabey go out once or twice a month an a saturday if I'm lucky. Even the hobby is something I don't do too often due to money
 

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Heard it every time....

GotGusto said:
I'm deeply concerned about this. We still haven't hit bottom on this economic downturn. I fear that when we do and things begin to pick up, it's going to be a long slow road to recovery (a "recovery" that may never return to pre-downturn levels). It could be the end of an era -our [North America's] best days behind us. There are seismic economic shifts occuring right now that will be felt for decades. Debt at the individual and government level has to be reigned in, but that is going to require a complete overhaul in lifestyle.
Hear it every recession--economy will never bounce back-ya da-ya da---and then we do--and everybody goes nuts and forgets that another recession will be coming along...so they don't save a penny....

As for the original poster--not sure I'd hire him....an Accountant who can't manage his own money?? Check out his older posts...yeah dropping $650 at a sex party a month ago--and now is unemployed and broke...not exactly showing fiscal prudence...
 

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oldstud47 said:
You guys are too much first of all thank you for your suggestions and well wishes. Secondly the economy sucks but even if it was good and when it wa good we never make enough at least I don't. Look when i worked it was hard sometimes 45 50 hours a week just to pay the mortgage make the car payments put food on the table and mabey go out once or twice a month an a saturday if I'm lucky. Even the hobby is something I don't do too often due to money

Wow. I just assumed if you were a comptroller you'd be making some decent $$. Were you just underpaid or did you mismanage?

In terms of finding work I do see 2-3 times more contract hiring for experienced financial staff ("try before you buy" mentality). Seems like no one ever looks into contract work first, but it can pay the bills and often leads to full-time offers.
 

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to be honest mabey a little of both when things are good sometimes you do a few things more then you should having said that I am not destitute but its tough out there and who wants to use up there savings
 

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oldstud47 said:
to be honest mabey a little of both when things are good sometimes you do a few things more then you should having said that I am not destitute but its tough out there and who wants to use up there savings
I hear you - who among us hasn't been there?

I think it's better to get scared early now. I used to laugh at people in a panic mode, not anymore.
 

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Peter123 said:
yeah dropping $650 at a sex party a month ago--
If not that maybe blow it on a bicycle or something silly like that. Remember all those prudent folks who invested in the Dow Jones only to see it hit a 12 year low in March. If all he spent is $650 for a bit of pleasure so what? Live life a little, life is short.
 

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Dropping 650.00 on a sex party was money well spent for a once in a life time experience. I would do it agin if I was working and new I had a steady paycheck
 

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Peter123 said:
Hear it every recession--economy will never bounce back-ya da-ya da---and then we do--and everybody goes nuts and forgets that another recession will be coming along...so they don't save a penny....
I've only lived through two recessions, the one in the 1980s and the current one. I was too young to care about the former, but it's my understanding that we expect ups and downs in the economy. However, I don't believe the current recession is comparable to the one in the 80s nor the Great Depression. Much of the underlying causes are different, the world is different, therefore I expect the solution will be different.

It's true that lots of people don't learn from the obvious and expect things like home values to increase indefinitely only to find themselves holding property worth a pittance when the economy dives. But your assertion that people don't save hasnt always held true. People actually DID save in the past. They don't now. Not only do they not save, but they're heavily in debt like never before.

The notion that we can continue down the same path indefinitely and things will always bounce back is inherently flawed. At some point, things have to come to a head. The market bouncing back all the time in the last 80 years since the Great Depression is a blip in the scheme of things.

Now, I do believe we will recover, but as stated before, I worry that it will be a excruciatingly long recovery process.
 

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GotGusto said:
Being prepared is good. But how will that save you if things remain bad, not for months, but years.

I'm good for years... probably will run out of cash in about 10 years.... at wich point I will dip into home equity....and that should be enough to bridge me to CPP...which would suck....but I will survive. That is if I make NO money. i.e ZERO. It it gets that bad, money will go a lot further as well
 

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oldstud47 said:
hey fellow terbites I am a product of this wonderful economy I lost my job today due to the company down sizing. I don't know if the board will allow me to do this but if there is anyone out there who needs a good controller for his or her company I would appreciate the opportunity. I honestly can;t afford to be out of work.. even though your know what my hobby is lol
Hey oldstud, I know that this means nothing to you right now, but try and remember that when one door closes another one opens :) be positive
 

oldstud47

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Aden thanks for the suggestion yes I am an accountant and the Carribean sound great but as I said I have a family here and I'm looking after a sick spouse so right now working there isn't an option. Ang thanks for your words sometimes I agree with that phyilosophy and sometimes I say what the fuck why me.
 

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If you lived in the 80's

GotGusto said:
I've only lived through two recessions, the one in the 1980s and the current one.

actually you have lived through 3 and living in one...early 80's, early 90's, early 00's and now....

and sure every one is different, different causes, but outcome is still the same, recovery...

of course this is macro--on the micro nature there are plenty of people for whom this recession will mean the end of their way of life forever.

And yes people used to save, and they would then be able to survive for at least some period of time...now tons of people are only a couple of paycheques from broke.

But on the original poster, have to say I find it funny in a way that a company's Controller--chief Accountant type would be surprised by his job loss...shouldn't they be the one person who can see it company well ahead of time??

and sure blow $650...but I'm guessing that wasn't the only indulgence....
 

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Hey first of all who said I didn't see it coming I've had the feelers out for a while but on the other hand who are you to judge me about 650.00 like tell me Mr Peter123 that you never blew money before.... Unbeleivable....and actually if I have the opportunity to do it again and Im working and making a steady paycheck I wouldn't think twice. It was a blast and I needed it and deserved it. you don't know me and you don't walk in my shoes geeezzzz
 

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