How Europe is turning Right-wing

Phil C. McNasty

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would result in the destruction of Europe at the very least?
BTW even if Russia takes Ukraine, it wont mean the destruction of the rest of Europe.
In a conventional war the EU has a population of 300 to 400 million people it can draw soldiers from, Russia only has a population of 140 million.
When it comes to military hardware both the EU and Russia are about even.

It would be a long, protracted war that I think Russia would eventually lose
 

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BTW even if Russia takes Ukraine, it wont mean the destruction of the rest of Europe.
In a conventional war the EU has a population of 300 to 400 million people it can draw soldiers from, Russia only has a population of 140 million.
When it comes to military hardware both the EU and Russia are about even.

It would be a long, protracted war that I think Russia would eventually lose
The objective of the war is not for Russia to take Ukraine or at
least not to take more than 20% of it. The real objective now is to
wreck Ukraine.
 

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Russia is overall backward relative to EU in many aspects. That being
said I think it is fantasy to believe the superior EU can take on Russia
in a military conflict and win.
 

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Interesting that the left wing government in Denmark pulled a right wing to save itself. They know everyone in Europe is fed up with the flooding of migrants that don't want to integrate and by blocking the refugees the Danes will stick with the current government.
No wonder Denmark took action and is trying to keep them out, they harass Danish Christians.

 

nottyboi

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BTW even if Russia takes Ukraine, it wont mean the destruction of the rest of Europe.
In a conventional war the EU has a population of 300 to 400 million people it can draw soldiers from, Russia only has a population of 140 million.
When it comes to military hardware both the EU and Russia are about even.

It would be a long, protracted war that I think Russia would eventually lose
Yes I agree that a long protracted war if it stays conventional will eventually result in a Russian loss. But politically there is NO WAY that Europe would remain united over the 10-15 years of brutal hardship and Russia today IMHO has far superior means to strike European bases and ships. AND if Russia starts to lose, it will eventually resort to using tactical nukes on Germany and the other non nuclear states, the USA will not give the UK the keys to its Trident missiles as they would fear a nuclear war with RUssia and France will not stick its neck out unless it was hit by a nuke. Italy will be unlikely to go along and Poland will be the first one vaporized. You have to keep an eye on the ledger and Russia would have no hesitation killing 20m Germans to balance it and they will flatten Finland at the drop of hat over the siege of Leningrad. Poles are once again betting their nation and toxic rhetoric on a piece of paper. Its not lost on Russia that one of the longest periods of peace in Europe was when all the mouthy trouble makers were under the boot of the USSR.
 

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Almost nobody is shifting to the right. They are shifting from FAR left to center.
 

nottyboi

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Would it be a useful deterrent if they admitted they need to get US approval? Even AI sounds skeptical lol:


  • the Pool System: The UK participates in a "common pool" arrangement with the US Navy, meaning missiles are not permanently assigned to a specific UK submarine but are rotated from a shared pool, often maintained at Kings Bay, Georgia.
  • Maintenance & Costs: UK submarines must visit the US base in Georgia for missile replacement and maintenance. The UK pays an annual contribution, which has been cited as around £12 million for the upkeep of this facility, in addition to procurement and maintenance costs.
  • Operational Independence: Although the missiles are US-built and leased, the UK maintains that its nuclear deterrent is "operationally independent". The warheads are produced in the UK, and the decision to launch rests solely with the UK Prime Minister.
 

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This move to the Extreme Right in Germany is what represents their general ideology. Of course it is filled with very familiar acts from some certain notorious heads of state:

 
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Phil C. McNasty

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Would it be a useful deterrent if they admitted they need to get US approval? Even AI sounds skeptical lol:


  • the Pool System: The UK participates in a "common pool" arrangement with the US Navy, meaning missiles are not permanently assigned to a specific UK submarine but are rotated from a shared pool, often maintained at Kings Bay, Georgia.
  • Maintenance & Costs: UK submarines must visit the US base in Georgia for missile replacement and maintenance. The UK pays an annual contribution, which has been cited as around £12 million for the upkeep of this facility, in addition to procurement and maintenance costs.
  • Operational Independence: Although the missiles are US-built and leased, the UK maintains that its nuclear deterrent is "operationally independent". The warheads are produced in the UK, and the decision to launch rests solely with the UK Prime Minister.
Maybe it's true, or maybe the UK are bluffing.
Who the hell knows.

What I do know is if I were to keep a couple hundred nukes in my country, I would definitely want full control of them. Otherwise its pointless.

And I have a hard time believing that UK nuclear scientists couldn't come up with their own missile parts and maintenance program
 

Valcazar

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Yup the left wants war, they refuse to believe they have lost to Russia YET AGAIN. France, Germany, UK, all failed in their attempts to destroy Russia. Again and again and again.
Hang on, does this mean you are now officially right wing, since "the left wants war" and you insist you don't?
 

Valcazar

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Yes I agree that a long protracted war if it stays conventional will eventually result in a Russian loss. But politically there is NO WAY that Europe would remain united over the 10-15 years of brutal hardship and Russia today IMHO has far superior means to strike European bases and ships. AND if Russia starts to lose, it will eventually resort to using tactical nukes on Germany and the other non nuclear states, the USA will not give the UK the keys to its Trident missiles as they would fear a nuclear war with RUssia and France will not stick its neck out unless it was hit by a nuke. Italy will be unlikely to go along and Poland will be the first one vaporized. You have to keep an eye on the ledger and Russia would have no hesitation killing 20m Germans to balance it and they will flatten Finland at the drop of hat over the siege of Leningrad. Poles are once again betting their nation and toxic rhetoric on a piece of paper. Its not lost on Russia that one of the longest periods of peace in Europe was when all the mouthy trouble makers were under the boot of the USSR.
So according to you, Russia is guaranteed to win a war with Europe since it will use nukes and the West won't, meaning that it is sheer folly for Russia to not invade Europe?
The only thing stopping it from happening (since it is guaranteed victory) is Russia's peace-loving nature?
 
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